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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:44 pm    Post subject: In chaos, maybe, but still supporting Trump Reply with quote

In the wake of Trump's outrageous statement that he would welcome immigrants from Norway (suitably blond and blue-eyed), he would not look favourably on immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and other "sh*thole" (meaning, mostly, African, but essentially non-White) countries, the Republicans showed very little outrage.

Paul Ryan simply found the statement "unhelpful", and a couple of other top Republicans just "do not recall" having heard Trump say that. It seems understatement and amnesia are rampant in the Republican Party. Rolling Eyes

We're not even going to go into the level of profanity here. Very presidential, isn't it? Pale sigh

The foreign press is having a field day with what was rendered in French as "pays de merde", which in fact is milder than "sh"ithole".
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: In chaos, maybe, but still supporting Trump Reply with quote

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In the wake of Trump's outrageous statement that he would welcome immigrants from Norway (suitably blond and blue-eyed), he would not look favourably on immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and other "sh*thole" (meaning, mostly, African, but essentially non-White) countries, the Republicans showed very little outrage.

How Does GOP Not Immediately Condemn This Language?
During a White House immigration meeting, President Donald Trump wondered in a vulgar way about a deal including protections for people from Haiti and nations in Africa. His remarks have drawn widespread condemnation. [But the Republicans stayed mostly silent... or "forgot"]



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:47 am    Post subject: Republican calls Trump 'an embarrassment' Reply with quote

Republican calls Trump 'an embarrassment'
The president has “intentionally divid[ed] the country and the world” during his first year in office, says former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel.
'Doing great damage' »
Dominique Mosbergen, HuffPost 18 hours ago

President Donald Trump has “intentionally divid[ed] the country and the world” during his first year in office, former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel told the Lincoln Journal-Star for a story published this weekend.

The president is “doing great damage to our country internationally,” said Hagel, a former two-term Republican senator from Nebraska.

“He’s an embarrassment,” Hagel added, reacting specifically to comments Trump reportedly made last week in a closed-door meeting about Haiti, El Salvador and nations in Africa being “shithole” countries.

Hagel, who served as defense secretary under President Barack Obama, also criticized the way Trump has handled relationships with foreign allies and antagonists alike.

Trump’s decision to pull the U.S. out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, for instance, did “significant damage” to America’s influence in Asia, Hagel said. Referring to Trump’s taunting tweet about North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s “nuclear button” being smaller than his own, Hagel said Trump was spouting “irresponsible kind of talk.”

Hagel has criticized Trump’s leadership before. Last May, he said Trump didn’t understand governing and needed to “listen and learn” but was “doing just the opposite.”

“I hope he will take a different tack soon, before it’s too late, before he loses the credibility and the confidence to govern,” he told the Omaha World-Herald.

Months later, Hagel, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, said he was “offended” by Trump’s handling of a call to a widow of a soldier killed in Niger and the president’s accusations that Obama had not called the families of fallen soldiers when he was in office.

“I’m offended by the way he’s handled it,” Hagel told USA Today at the time. “You just don’t use the families of the fallen to score political points, especially to take jabs at your predecessor. I’m very unhappy about this.”

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: 'Why I'm leaving the Republican Party' Reply with quote

Why I'm leaving the Republican Party

I have been a member of the Republican Party my entire adult life. I firmly believe in a federal government that provides for our national security, but has a limited role in the economic and social lives of our communities and households. I highly value individual choice, responsibility and opportunity. I proudly worked on retired Congressman John Porter’s staff and volunteered for former U.S. Sen. Mark Kirk and U.S. Rep. Bob Dold. These are all people I admire and feel represented the very best of the party.

Even though I have disagreed with some of the Republican organization’s positions, for decades I never questioned my affiliation with the party until the ascension of Donald Trump from long-shot primary candidate to president. I won’t get into his lack of vision, or policy du jour positions, or poor character, but Trump was the first Republican nominee I did not vote for in a presidential election.

He has brought disgrace to the most consequential office in the world. Over the past year, current events have turned into a bad comic strip. And after the comments Trump made during a discussion with legislators on immigration policy, referring to “s------- countries,” there is absolutely no way I can belong to the same party as this person.

I never supported Trump, but now I can’t support the party that nominated him. Beyond wealthy white males, it is very clear based on his behavior and comments that Trump has no respect for humanity. What a frightening thought for a person with so much power. One of the most important lessons I was taught by my parents and have passed on to my children was always to be respectful toward yourself and other people. Unfortunately, our nation’s chief executive doesn’t meet this standard.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: He got sense Reply with quote

It seems this bloke has far more sense than our resident ostriches who still seems to have their heads buried where the sun don’t shine.... super grin
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:00 am    Post subject: GOP Currently On Losing Side Of History Reply with quote

GOP Currently On Losing Side Of History
House Republicans passed a short-term spending bill on Thursday, but prospects are dim in the Senate. And President Donald Trump is saying it will be the Democrats' fault if the government shuts down. Joe Scarborough reacts.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:37 pm    Post subject: CHAOS and INCOMPETENCE Reply with quote

'CHAOS and INCOMPETENCE': GOPer BLASTS Trump and GOP's 'Total Ineptitude'


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: The GOP’s Sad Stockholm Syndrome Reply with quote

The GOP’s Sad Stockholm Syndrome
The more Trump abuses them, the more they see they need him more than he needs them.
BY Margaret Carlson

President Donald Trump’s reception at his State of the Union speech—ecstatic to the point of a thunderous chant of “U-S-A! U-S-A!”—is important for only one reason.

In an otherwise unmemorable night, it is a window into how Trump’s presidency is going to unfold in the coming months: with the slavish defense, indeed, devotion of his party.

What was a hostile takeover of the GOP by an outsider is now a merger, accepted by a group with a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome. Trump can insult the old GOP, threaten to primary them, libel and tweet-shame them and all that has gone to show that they need him more than he needs them.

The normalization of Trump started with the tax bill. When Trump made GOP dreams of permanent tax cuts for the wealthy camouflaged by small and temporary ones for the middle class come true, it’s hard to exaggerate the gratitude they felt. When Sen. Orrin Hatch called him perhaps the “best president” ever in the Rose Garden celebration, he was reflecting the prevailing sentiment. That the individual mandate of Obamacare was destroyed in the process was icing on the cake. With that, they went from questioning his leadership ability and even his mental stability to a willingness to side with him in undermining the country’s most sacred institutions if that what it takes to save him, and therefore, them.

The newfound devotion is crucial given the rough times ahead. Nothing Trump tweets or does—getting funding for a smart, or dumb, wall; becoming consoler-in-chief after a national tragedy as he hinted at a pre-SOTU lunch for TV anchors—will divert attention from the Trump vs. Mueller drama that’s coming to a theater near you. In one form or another Trump is going to have to appear before Mueller where honesty is the best policy under penalty of perjury. At least one son and one son-in-law are witnesses if not targets. Former national security adviser Michael Flynn is testifying reluctantly and former chief strategist Steve Bannon seems happy to sing like a bird if executive privilege doesn’t interfere. Just a cursory look at Trump’s own words and tweets shows obstruction of justice.

This is where supine Republicans come in to undermine the investigation and investigators so as to subvert the rule of law. With Republicans falling in line if not in love, the party of Lincoln is teed up to defend him no matter what as they go about trashing the FBI and Justice Department they used to honor. The trash talk is also coming from key officials like Gen. John Kelly, the sainted chief of staff, who hasn’t brought Trump up to his level but been reduced to that of Trump. Kelly has joined in the effort to find fault with—and the time to directly pressure—law enforcement officials connected to the Russian inquiry. It’s not clear exactly how Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, married to a “loser,” was railroaded into early retirement but Director Christopher Wray let it be known that McCabe left just ahead of an Inspector General’s report critical of his handling of Hilary Clinton’s emails.

The latest moves to protect Trump is playing out with the full backing of Speaker Paul Ryan. He’s in favor of the House intelligence committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, publishing classified material cherry-picked to supposedly show that the Justice Department improperly obtained a surveillance order for Carter Page, a former Trump campaign associate and a hapless mark of Russian operatives. And Ryan is fine with Nunes not releasing the full file which would show that this didn’t happen.

There was a time not so long-ago when Paul Ryan called out and demoted Nunes for his clownish nighttime caper to the White House to pick up and then re-deliver so-called secret documents heralded as giving credence to Trump’s lunatic claim that former president Barack Obama wiretapped him. The documents did no such thing. But that demotion of Trump’s water-carrier came before Ryan had a beloved tax cut for the GOP donor class in hand.

Now Republicans see a soaring stock market, a booming economy, a becalmed international set at Davos, a complicit evangelical base, and think that the midterms might not be such a challenge if they can just stabilize the ship of state. Trump asks Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein if he’s on his team and Republicans are undisturbed. Trump says on a hot mic that he’s “100% “ going to release the Nunes memo when the White House said hours earlier he hadn’t even read it, and his party moves ahead with it at the risk of revealing sources and methods.

Even as they stood and gustily cheered, what a tall order it must be to embrace Trump in what’s being called a slow-motion Saturday Night Massacre. Even though Twitter Trump stayed home with a cheeseburger and Fox News while Teleprompter Trump came to Capitol Hill, they had to overlook a president willing to alter reality in the well of the House and never once smile. He strutted, mugged, and applauded for himself, chin jutting and eyes squinting, the most joyless president in modern history. Still I have a $50 hamburger at the Trump Hotel for anyone who spotted a Republican who didn’t clap on cue.

What they’ve forgotten is that Trump is an anomaly who can be easily made unhappy but never made happy. Sell your soul to placate him today—I’m thinking of you, Gen. Kelly—and tomorrow you may still find yourself cashiered. Just ask Attorney General Jeff Sessions how that works.

Someday the Grand Old Party may see that by normalizing Trump they’ve violated every traditional and constitutional norm. If that’s the price of power, for now they are willing to pay it.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:06 am    Post subject: Why The GOP Has Followed Trump Off The Deep End Reply with quote

Why The GOP Has Followed Trump Off The Deep End
Richard North Patterson, HuffPost•February 2, 2018

In the real world, evidence mounts that President Donald Trump has striven to obstruct the Russia investigation ― not least by attempting to fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Yet his party plunges ever deeper into a fever swamp of fantasy.

There hallucinations breed. The hitherto impeccable Mueller is conducting a partisan witch-hunt. Spearheaded by a “secret society” within its ranks, the FBI conspires against Trump. To cover their tracks, the conspirators destroyed damning text messages ― until the messages were found. Yet another conspirator, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein ― a Republican Trump appointee and Mueller’s superior ― “improperly” extended surveillance of a Trump campaign operative who, beyond dispute, had extensive contacts with Russian officials.

Unsatisfied with free-floating hysteria, congressional Republicans have now voted to release a memo, written by GOP congressional staffers and cherry-picked from classified information, that supposedly documents the FBI’s bias. Never mind that a senior official in Trump’s own Justice Department has said that releasing the memo would be “extraordinarily reckless.” Or that the FBI, headed by another Trump appointee, Christopher Wray, publicly stated that “we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.” Or that the memo is a transparent effort to derail the investigation ― including by providing a pretext for firing Rosenstein as a prelude to filing Mueller.

For Trump’s Republican acolytes, only one thing matters ― their leader wants to advance the specious storyline weaponized by this memo to protect himself from investigation, the rule of law be damned. Disdaining the anguished protests from the DOJ and FBI, Trump has authorized its release. And so the GOP propels us toward a constitutional crisis by enabling an American president to attack our system of justice.

This craven embrace of mendacity and autocracy is startling, yet, on reflection, not surprising. Nor is there any apparent limit. For the Republican thirst for political Kool-Aid did not begin with Trump.

His lies and self-absorption have eroded America’s communal sense of fact and probity, degrading our expectation of what a president should be. Yet, given numerous opportunities to choose country over party, reason over fantasy, the leaders of his party have remained supine, unable or unwilling to challenge the false narratives which animate a base whose devotion to Trump renders them impervious to his most egregious conduct.

Why? Long before Trump, ever more Republicans became addicted to fact-free narratives through which one right-wing cult or another mesmerized the party faithful. From this petri dish of unreason came Trump’s implacable army, propitiated by Republican officeholders who now cynically embrace his slanders against the FBI. The GOP has become a credulous coalition rooted in magical thinking and unreasoning resentment ― the perfect seedbed for a toxic Messiah who creates his own reality.

Take fundamentalists. Roughly one-third of Republican voters are evangelicals, whose core theology demands unwavering belief in the fantastical ― that the Bible is literally true ― and, therefore, the rejection of reason and science.

The Republican Party platform enshrines this religious extremism, excoriating “environmental extremists,” forbidding the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide, rejecting the Paris climate accord, and defunding the U.N. convention on climate change. It fuels a war on America’s public schools, through which radical evangelicals seek to undermine climate science. It embraces homeschooling. It insists that “man-made rights,” like reproductive rights and legal protection for gays and lesbians, are subordinate to “God-given rights” ― defined, of course, by theocrats.

By adopting the worldly grievances of Republican evangelicals, Trump, the self-confessed groper and libertine, has earned their unquestioning obeisance. Thus his embrace of the notional “war on Christmas,” exploiting evangelicals’ sense of persecution by a secular elite. But Trump also plays to the theological, in which unwavering support for Israel arouses evangelical extremists who believe in the End of Days ― a dismal prophecy which requires the slaughter of Jews in Israel as a precursor to Christ’s return.

This incongruous bond creates its own reality. A recent Quinnipiac poll showed that two thirds of Americans believe that Trump is not a good role model for children. But not Republicans ― 72 percent, no doubt including most evangelicals, assert that Trump is a superior role model for America’s youth. When it comes to repelling Mueller by peddling fake conspiracy theories, such credulity augurs a ready audience of true believers.

His incessant lies, divisiveness, attacks on the press, charges of fake news, and contempt for law ― rather than hurting him ― resonate with the majority of Republicans.

Equally indispensable to Trump’s survival is the cult of whiteness. This hardy perennial lodged within the GOP upon the passage of the civil rights laws of the 1960s ― a compound of racism and insecurity through which whites fear a rising tide of blacks, Hispanics and immigrants who threaten their jobs, safety, and social dominance. In 2016 this festering tribalism metastasized, cementing the party’s dependence on a white minority for whom anxiety transcends all.

Rapturously, white Republicans cheered a candidate who questioned the citizenship of our first black president; implied that millions of blacks and Hispanics were committing voter fraud; falsified the crime rate among African-Americans and undocumented immigrants; and promised mass deportations, a border wall and drastic cuts in legal immigration. Emboldened, he called for a Muslim registry at home and a ban on Muslims from abroad, asserting that thousands of Muslims in New Jersey had celebrated 9/11.

Transparently, these lies and distortions mainstreamed bigotry. But that was the point ― gaining Trump and his party a greater share of voters driven by racial animus. He succeeded. No evidence of obstruction or collusion with a foreign adversary can dispel the racial angst our president repeatedly roils to cement their allegiance.

Similarly, Trump exploits white paranoia’s armed cousin ― the GOP’s cult of gun worship. Since 1968, firearms have claimed the lives of more Americans than all the wars in our history. Yet every massacre of innocents spurs elected Republicans to parrot the NRA’s murderous myth ― that the only solution to gun violence is to arm every American with whatever weapon of war most arouses their fantasies.

Within the NRA, fantasies abound ― not least that well-armed citizens routinely protect Americans from an onslaught of predators. So who are these statistically modest menaces? In speeches, blogs and broadcasts, the NRA implies the answer ― minorities.

With unequaled ferocity, the NRA supports a president who promised to end the “eight-year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms.” It’s a very short distance from an imaginary government plot to disarm gun owners to one intended to disempower Trump.

Another Trump-bedazzled Republican cult is the Tea Party cum Freedom Caucus: white, male, middle-aged, religious, conservative and, like many cults, incoherent. With Trump, one leader crowed, its “values and principles” are finally empowered. Whatever they are.

The Tea Party’s stated concern is deficit reduction, but their real program is anger ― at immigration reform, gay marriage, the media, the social safety net and, especially, the federal government. Little wonder that the leader of the Freedom Caucus in the House is ready to attack the institutions of government so displeasing to Trump, proclaiming his shock at the conspiratorial FBI depicted in his colleagues’ bogus memo.

Far more calculating are Republican donors like the Koch brothers, bent on furthering their plutocratic cult of Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan’s intellectual wellspring.

In Rand’s Hobbesian America, only the creative selfishness of unfettered capitalists can rise above our collective mediocrity. This is libertarianism run amok, empowering wealthy donors who see government as their adversary ― unless it’s their tool. This ethos of Mammon suffuses Republican policies promoting unlimited campaign donations, deregulation and, most recently, Trump’s tax bill.

To further delude the base, Republicans resuscitated the hoary myth central to their donor-driven worldview: that tax cuts pay for themselves or, at least, offset much of their costs by stimulating economic growth. This GOP Tax Fairy has been thoroughly discredited by Republican economists and, more importantly, by economic history. No matter ― the legislation passed. Now the donors who finance Republican officeholders are bonded to the president who signed their dream bill into law.

As we are now seeing ever more clearly, the psychic glue that unites many of these groups is an instinctive authoritarianism. In 2016 a survey group of Republican primary voters was asked which traits are most important in raising children: independence or respect for elders; curiosity or good manners; self-reliance or obedience; being considerate or being well behaved.

Half the Republicans who chose the second ― or authoritarian ― answer supported Trump. Analyses by George Lakoff and Amanda Taub amplify these findings. Their essence is that Trump’s distinctive persona satisfies a craving for authority which is particularly strong among evangelicals, those who feel economically and socially threatened, and white Republicans of limited education.

These groups respond to promises of direct action to impose clear and simple solutions. Trump’s relentless demagoguery gives anxious Republicans the empowering sense that a patriarchal leader will repel their enemies ― a visceral connection intensified by the fear of terrorism. Thus his gratuitous attack on black athletes who protested during the national anthem, a ploy calculated to strike every emotional chord.

By instinct and design, Trump is profoundly authoritarian. He has succeeded in casting himself as the one-man-fits-all solution to the resentments roiling a party pre-conditioned to fantasy and myth. Thus his incessant lies, divisiveness, attacks on the press, charges of fake news, and contempt for law ― rather than hurting him ― resonate with the majority of Republicans who, according to polls, support “punishing biased or inaccurate news media, even if that means limiting the freedom of the press.”

For his followers, Trump is their mystical leader, a human Powerball ticket. It scarcely matters that he behaves less like an American president than a Russian asset. According to a December poll, only half of Republicans believe our intelligence community’s assessment that Russia interfered in our 2016 election, and a mere 10 percent believe what appears more and more obvious ― that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.

Terrified of their wrath, Republican legislators and their propagandists at Fox News are rushing to help Trump bury the facts by attacking what he calls the “powerful forces in Washington trying to sabotage our movement.” Effectively, they are encouraging Trump to conceal his apparent obstruction of justice by further obstructing justice ― all to thwart investigation of the ties between America’s president and our leading foreign adversary.

Faced with a rogue president whose sole loyalty is to self, our constitutional defense is impeachment. There are ample grounds, not only in his unfitness for the presidency but his contempt for its obligations and constraints. But there is seemingly no limit to the devotion of his cult, no depths to which a critical mass of elected Republicans like Speaker Ryan won’t sink to serve their narcissistic Messiah. The honorable men who resist ― like Sens. Jeff Flake and Bob Corker ― have been driven to the margins of power.

The lesson is indelible: We will not escape Trump’s thrall until Americans reject the party that spawned him.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: 'Staggering' GOP 'Cowardice' Enables Trump Reply with quote

Republican: 'Staggering' GOP 'Cowardice' Enables Donald Trump
Fmr. George W. Bush speechwriter and Washington Post opinion writer Michael Gerson says "the cowardice among Republicans" is causing a backlash across the country.
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