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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:12 pm    Post subject: Why allow immigrants from 'shit hole countries'? Reply with quote

No limit for the new Caligula of our time !

Trump: Why allow immigrants from 'shit hole countries'
ABC News

In bluntly vulgar language (*), President Donald Trump questioned Thursday why the U.S. would accept more immigrants from Haiti and "shithole countries" in Africa rather than places like Norway, as he rejected a bipartisan immigration deal, according to people briefed on the extraordinary Oval Office conversation.

Trump's contemptuous description of an entire continent startled lawmakers in the meeting and immediately revived charges that the president is racist. The White House did not deny his remark but issued a statement saying Trump supports immigration policies that welcome "those who can contribute to our society."

Trump's comments came as two senators presented details of a bipartisan compromise that would extend protections against deportation for hundreds of thousands of young immigrants — and also strengthen border protections as Trump has insisted.

The lawmakers had hoped Trump would back their accord, an agreement among six senators evenly split among Republicans and Democrats, ending a months-long, bitter dispute over protecting the "Dreamers." But the White House later rejected it, plunging the issue back into uncertainty just eight days before a deadline that threatens a government shutdown.

Dick Durbin of Illinois, the Senate' s No. 2 Democrat, explained that as part of that deal, a lottery for visas that has benefited people from Africa and other nations would be ended, the sources said, though there could be another way for them to apply. Durbin said people would be allowed to stay in the U.S. who fled here after disasters hit their homes in places including El Salvador, Guatemala and Haiti.

Trump specifically questioned why the U.S. would want to admit more people from Haiti. As for Africa, he asked why more people from "shithole countries" should be allowed into the U.S., the sources said.

The president suggested that instead, the U.S. should allow more entrants from countries like Norway. Trump met this week with Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg.
Asked about the remarks, White House spokesman Raj Shah did not deny them.
"Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people," he said.

Trump's remarks were remarkable even by the standards of a president who has been accused by his foes of racist attitudes and has routinely smashed through public decorum that his modern predecessors have generally embraced.

Trump has claimed without evidence that Barack Obama, the nation's first black president, wasn't born in the United States, has said Mexican immigrants were "bringing crime" and were "rapists" and said there were "very fine people on both sides" after violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, left one counter-protester dead.

"Racist," tweeted Rep. Kathleen Rice, D-N.Y., after Thursday's story broke. But it wasn't just Democrats objecting.

Republican Rep. Mia Love of Utah, the daughter of Haitian immigrants, said Trump's comments were "unkind, divisive, elitist and fly in the face of our nation's values." She said, "This behavior is unacceptable from the leader of our nation" and Trump must apologize to the American people "and the nations he so wantonly maligned."

Trump has called himself the "least racist person that you've ever met."
Critics also have questioned his mental fitness to serve as president, citing his inability to muster some policy details and his tweets asserting his "nuclear button" is bigger than North Korea's. He responded to such criticism with a recent tweet calling himself "a very stable genius" who is "like, really smart."

The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to publicly describe the conversation. One said lawmakers in the room were taken aback by Trump's remarks.

The Trump administration announced late last year that it would end a temporary residency permit program that allowed nearly 60,000 citizens from Haiti to live and work in the United States following a devastating 2010 earthquake.

Trump has spoken positively about Haitians in public. During a 2016 campaign event in Miami, he said "the Haitian people deserve better" and told the audience of Haitian-Americans he wanted to "be your greatest champion, and I will be your champion."

The agreement that Durbin and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., described to Trump also includes his $1.6 billion request for a first installment on his long-sought border wall, aides familiar with the agreement said. They required anonymity because the agreement is not yet public.

Trump's request covers 74 miles of border wall as part of a 10-year, $18 billion proposal.
Democrats had long vowed they wouldn't fund the wall but are accepting the opening request as part of a broader plan that protects from deportation about 800,000 younger immigrants brought to the country as children and now here illegally.

The deal also would include restrictions on a program allowing immigrants to bring some relatives to the U.S.

In an afternoon of drama and confusing developments, four other GOP lawmakers — including hardliners on immigration — were also in Trump's office for Thursday's meeting, a development sources said Durbin and Graham did not expect. It was unclear why the four Republicans were there, and the session did not produce the results the two senators were hoping for.

"There has not been a deal reached yet," said White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders. But she added, "We feel like we're close."

Underscoring the hurdles facing the effort, other Republicans also undercut the significance of the deal the half-dozen senators hoped to sell to Trump.

"How do six people bind the other 94 in the Senate? I don't get that," said No. 2 Senate Republican John Cornyn of Texas.

Cornyn said the six lawmakers were hoping for a deal and "everyone would fall in line. The president made it clear to me on the phone less than an hour ago that he wasn't going to do that."

The six senators have been meeting for months to find a way to revive protections for young immigrants who arrived in the U.S. as children and are here illegally. Trump ended the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program last year but has given Congress until March 5 to find a way to keep it alive.

Federal agencies will run out of money and have to shut down if lawmakers don't pass legislation extending their financing by Jan. 19. Some Democrats are threatening to withhold their votes — which Republicans will need to push that legislation through Congress — unless an immigration accord is reached.

Cornyn said the real work for a bipartisan immigration deal will be achieved by a group of four leading lawmakers — the No. 2 Republicans and Democrats in both the House and Senate. That group met for the first time this week.

The immigration effort seemed to receive a boost Tuesday when Trump met with two dozen lawmakers and agreed to seek a bipartisan way to resuscitate the program. The group agreed to also include provisions strengthening security — which for Trump means building parts of a wall along the border with Mexico — curbing immigrants' relatives from coming here and restricting the visa lottery.

Also in Thursday's Oval Office meeting were House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and GOP Sens. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and David Perdue of Georgia. Aides to lawmakers who attended declined to provide comment on Trump's remarks.

Any immigration deal would face hurdles winning congressional approval.
Many Democrats would oppose providing substantial sums for Trump's campaign promise to build a wall along the border with Mexico. Many Hispanic and liberal members of the party oppose steps toward curtailing immigration such as ending the visa lottery and restricting the relatives that legal immigrants could bring to the U.S.

Among Republicans, some conservatives are insisting on going further than the steps that Trump has suggested. They want to reduce legal immigration, require employers to verify workers' citizenship and block federal grants to so-called sanctuary cities that hinder federal anti-immigrant efforts.
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Associated Press writers Jill Colvin, Andrew Taylor, Kevin Freking and Matthew Daly contributed to this report.

(*) As an aside - imagine the reaction if anyone else (Democrat or Republican) but Trump had used such vulgar language in public while talking on a topic this serious and of this importance?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:11 pm    Post subject: US becoming a sh*t hole anyway Reply with quote

The US is becoming a shit hole anyway and as people in Norway said why on earth would we want to migrate to the US when we have it so good here? super grin

As for Whomping Willows video well that was a pathetic Fox News reporter wasn’t it and surprisingly Ann Coulter made some interesting remarks about Trump supporting one proposal and them a minute later another one and she even said some nice things about Wolff’s book!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:31 pm    Post subject: Trump's Crackdown on Legal Immigration Reply with quote

So Stupid It's Not Funny: Trump's Crackdown on Legal Immigration
As Congress works to pass immigration reform, the Trump administration tries to curb legal pathways to citizenship like the visa lottery and chain migration.

https://youtu.be/tmsC-7QwRjU


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:34 pm    Post subject: Trump 'UNINFORMED' on border wall and immigration Reply with quote

Trump 'UNINFORMED' on border wall and immigration matters
Kelly Say the 'Stable Genius' is 'UNINFORMED' - Coward - Can't Take The HEAT

https://youtu.be/4B_Maq3JTuk



Trump chief of staff, John KELLY say he is 'UNINFORMED' on border wall and immigration matters and that's why he walks away from a bipartisan immigration deal between Republican Lindsey Graham and Democrat Dick Durbin that he previously agreed to support. Apparently, the two radical ALT-Right senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue talk him out of it and into their radical plan which has NO chance of passing the Senate.

Trump promises to support the Graham/Durbin bill and say he WILL TAKE the heat but when push comes to shove Trump was long gone from the Kitchen. It has gotten so bad that one of his lap-dog, Mitch McConnell had to call him out in front the media to make his goddam mind up.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am    Post subject: House Blocks Trump's Order To Deport Palestinian... Reply with quote

House Blocks Trump's Order To Deport Palestinian Man Living In U.S. For 39 Years
Last month, with a deportation order hanging over his head, Amer Othman Adi, 57, and his family were making preparations to leave their life in Youngstown, Ohio, willingly.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:59 pm    Post subject: Trump Ad: Democrats Complicit In MURDER Reply with quote

Trump Ad: Democrats Complicit In MURDER
A recent Trump ad is accusing Democrats of being complicit in the crimes of undocumented immigrants

https://youtu.be/QJZQ6i0nAB0


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:16 pm    Post subject: Miller makes immigration deal impossible Reply with quote

Graham: Stephen Miller makes immigration deal impossible

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham says as long as Steven Miller is in charge of
negotiating immigration, we're going nowhere.

A 32-year-old hardline advisor is the voice in Donald Trump's ear on
immigration.

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https://www.newsandguts.com/link/graham-stephen-miller-makes-immigration-deal-impossible/
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:16 am    Post subject: '73% of terrorists ‘foreign-born’ Reply with quote

73% of terrorists were ‘foreign-born’
The Trump administration was clear: ‘An analysis conducted by DHS’ concluded that 73% of terrorists were ‘foreign-born.’ Except DHS analysts had nothing to do with the conclusion.
BY Spencer Ackerman

The document didn’t mince words. It claimed three-quarters of “international terrorism” convicts were immigrants, an assertion meant to bolster Donald Trump’s cherished Muslim-focused ban on entering the country. And the report put the claim in the mouths of an agency assembled to keep Americans safe after 9/11: the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Working off the 549 federal international-terrorism convictions tallied by the Justice Department, the document stated: “An analysis conducted by DHS determined that approximately 73 percent (402 of these 549 individuals) were foreign-born.”

But the Department of Homeland Security did not perform that analysis. DHS’ analysts did not contribute to the highly controversial report, The Daily Beast has learned.

According to a government source familiar with the episode, Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ office took charge of the report’s assemblage of statistics—which some terrorism analysts consider highly misleading—and sent it to DHS Secretary Kirstjen M. Nielsen for her imprimatur after it was all but finalized.

“The Trump administration is trying to turn counterterrorism into an immigration issue,” said Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina, where he tracks Muslim-American involvement in terrorism.

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“Within DHS, the perception is that the Trump administration used the Department to conflate immigrants with terrorists in support of the president’s immigration crackdown.”

Career professional analysts at DHS communicated to the Justice Department that the data sought for the report simply did not exist within their department. DHS, multiple sources said, does not track or correlate international terrorism data by citizenship or country of origin, and have warned the Trump administration that doing so risks a misleading portrait of both terrorism and immigration.

The result was that the document released last week did not include the contributions of those career DHS officials tasked with providing professional and objective analysis. They were not asked to participate, and so the document did not reflect their input. The Justice Department took the lead on the report, as its public rollout indicated, complete with a senior Justice official conducting a White House press briefing.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-bypassed-dhs-analysts-to-produce-bogus-terror-report?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:19 am    Post subject: Trump’s ‘Sh*thole’ Comments Are Bad. His Immigration P Reply with quote

Trump’s ‘Sh*thole’ Comments Are Bad. His Immigration Policies Are Worse.
Calling Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations ‘shithole countries’ makes explicit the racial undercurrent of Trump’s immigration platform.
Asawin Suebsaeng, Scott Bixby

In prepared remarks, President Donald Trump has made much of proposals to shift the United States to a “merit-based” immigration system—increasing the number of immigrants qualified by education level or the possession of rare skills, and decreasing the number who enter the country based on familial relationships to U.S. residents and citizens.

But statements made off the cuff or behind closed doors make explicit the racial undercurrent of Trump’s immigration platform: Mexicans are “rapists”; Haitians “all have AIDS”; Nigerians live in “huts”; Haiti, El Salvador, and African nations are “shithole countries.”

Comments like those the president reportedly made in the Oval Office on Thursday, asking lawmakers assembled to negotiate an immigration deal “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” expose a core motivation behind Trump’s most extreme policies. Trump, once again, has said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet.

“Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people,” White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah said in a statement that conspicuously avoided denying anything contained within The Washington Post’s original report.

In the past, White House officials have responded fiercely to suggestions that Trump’s immigration policies could be construed as racially minded. During a contentious exchange with CNN reporter Jim Acosta in August, White House senior adviser Stephen Miller condemned Acosta’s suggestion that Trump was “trying to engineer the racial and ethnic flow of people into this country” as “one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant, and foolish things” Acosta had ever uttered.

When asked why the official White House response did not push back against the most recent egregious statement attributed to Trump, however, a senior White House official simply replied, “Every once in a while, there’s no point denying something [the president] obviously said.”

If anything, Thursday’s outburst—made public on the eve of the eighth anniversary of an earthquake that claimed the lives of 160,000 Haitians—demonstrated a Trump who was perfectly in character.

The racist rhetoric that has pervaded Trump’s candidacy and presidency has manifested itself in some of the administration’s most highly prioritized policies. Each new program and protocol amounts to a brick in Trump’s as-yet unbuilt wall along the U.S.-Mexico border—and those programs and protocols are much more effective at keeping people from “shithole” countries from entering the United States.

After campaigning on the promise to forbid any Muslim from entering the United States, without carve-out or caveat, Trump’s “total and complete shutdown” became his bans on immigration from a half-dozen majority-Muslim nations.

(Promises by Justice Department lawyers that neither of the president’s executive orders were “Muslim bans,” per se, have not convinced a succession of federal judges.)

The nation-specific approach to limiting immigration—pioneered in 1882 with the passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act—has found more success when targeting other immigrant populations. In December, the Trump administration announced that it would suspend the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Haiti in September 2019.

A TPS designation gives refuge to immigrants unable to return to their home countries due to war, civil unrest, or natural disaster. In the years since the 7.0-magnitude earthquake that leveled the nation’s capital and ignited a seven-year cholera epidemic, nearly 60,000 Haitians have made homes and lives in the United States. Now Trump is effectively sending them home.

The Department of Homeland Security also announced on Monday that it would end TPS for more than a quarter-million Salvadorans—the bureaucratic version of telling hundreds of thousands of people to return to their “shithole” countries.

The Trump administration has also proposed making the process of legally immigrating to the United States more difficult. As The Daily Beast reported exclusively last month, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) intends to put new restrictions on how members of Congress can help immigrants looking to get green cards or citizenship.

Increases in paperwork, mandatory interviews, and a refusal to guarantee that ICE agents won’t show up at interviews to arrest would-be immigrants have ballooned the backlog for legal immigration. In many cases, the new paperwork requirements have made fees for lawyers, translators, and notaries so onerous that an increasing number of immigrants are giving up entirely.

“The prospect of having to go to the interview, and then if they’re here without papers, having an ICE agent there to arrest you when you’re trying to get your green card—it’s not great,” Andrew Free, a Nashville-based immigration attorney, told The Daily Beast last month. “This is their plan: to make legal immigration really hard.”

The tactics may be working. In the third quarter of 2016, USCIS data show that the immigration services approved more than 174,000 I-130s—petitions for alien relatives that serve as precursors for green cards. The administration denied roughly 16,000, and had 939,000 pending applications.

In the third quarter of 2016, however, the number of approved I-130 applications fell by 30,000—and the backlog increased from 939,000 to 1,289,000.

The president’s racist comments, in other words, have found fertile ground in becoming public policy, which might explain why White House officials spent Thursday evening anonymously telling reporters that Trump’s fans and conservative base would support him, and his “shithole” sentiment, 100 percent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-shthole-comments-are-bad-his-immigration-policies-are-worse
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reagan, Bush And Bush Demolish Trump On DACA Reply with quote

Watch Reagan, Bush And Bush Demolish President Trump On DACA
Ari Melber’s special report on how Trump’s wobbling on DACA breaks with past GOP Presidents and reveals how the self-described “deal maker” struggles to make a DACA decision. »

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