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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: Don't blame this storm on climate change Reply with quote

I posted this in L'Avenue, but it also belongs here. super grin

What’s being called a rare “winter hurricane” is expected to batter the East Coast this first week of the new year, making the brutal cold freezing the country look like a springy fever dream: several inches of snow dumped amid howling winds reaching 55 mph and subzero temperatures.
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“This is what we would call a winter storm or an extra tropical storm,” Kossin said, waving off the hysteria during a phone call with The Daily Beast. “It just means we have hurricane-force winds.”
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Kossin also said it’s hard to blame this storm on climate change. “It’s a single event so it’s hard to attribute it to climate change,” he said, though it’s most definitely ridiculously cold.

Read whole article in my post on L'Avenue, or go directly here:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/calm-down-theres-no-impending-winter-hurricane?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:42 am    Post subject: The Ocean Floor Is Sinking Reply with quote

The Ocean Floor Is Sinking Under The Water Weight From Melting Glaciers, And It’s As Bad As It Sounds
Dana Dovey, Newsweek

So much extra water is being added into the world’s oceans from melting glaciers that the ocean floor is sinking underneath its increasing weight. This ocean floor deformation also means we have miscalculated just how much ocean levels are rising and the problem could be far worse than previously believed.

Over the past 20 years, ocean basins have sunk an average of 0.004 inches per year. This means that the ocean is 0.08 inches deeper than it was two decades ago. While this small fragment of an inch may not seem much, oceans cover 70 percent of our planet, making the problem bigger than it seems at an initial glance.

Related: NASA Map Reveals Drastic U.S. Weather Change In Past Eight Years

In a study published online in Geophysical Research Levels, researchers explain how they used a mathematical equation known as the elastic sea level equation to more accurately measure the ocean floor. This allowed them to see how much the bottom of the ocean floor has changed from 1993 to 2014. While they are not the first scientists to look at the ocean floor, this is the first time that researchers have taken into account how additional water from melted ice may have further stretched the ocean floor, LiveScience reported.

The results show that the ocean is changing in ways that we previously did not realize and is sinking further into the earth’s crust. As a result, scientists have underestimated how much sea levels are rising by as much as 8 percent. The study concludes by emphasizing that future sea level measurement should take ocean floor deformation into account in order to more accurately understand how our oceans are changing.

Related: Snow In Hawaii? Mauna Kea Covered In Up To 8 Inches Of Snow

All the water on the planet today is all the water that has ever existed on the planet, but not all water is in its liquid form. Recently, rising temperatures have caused much of the frozen water on the planet’s glaciers to melt and join the ocean as liquid. This mass melting ice rising sea levels, a problem whose consequences we’re already starting to see. The first to notice the repercussions of rising sea levels are those who live in coastal areas. Rising waters mean less land to live on. In addition, more water in the ocean means that ocean storms, such as hurricanes, have the potential to be stronger and more devastating, National Geographic reported.

Small coastal areas won’t be the only ones to disappear due to rising waters and if current estimates are correct, by 2100 the ocean will rise between 11 and 38 inches, a number that could mean that much of the U.S. east coast will be covered in water, National Geographic reported.

http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-sinking-ocean-rising-sea-levels-772862
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Climate change, Weather patterns Reply with quote

Ok then explain why Sydney where I live in supposedly temperate NSW Australia was listed as the hottest place on earth yesterday and why people I know sweltered in temperatures over 47 degrees Celsius which to you farenheit lot is about 117 degrees... a dry heat fortunately because although today was a little cooler it felt hotter to me due to the higher humidity...

Now explain why the polar ice cap is shrinking please and why polar bears are suffering....

NOT necessarily from global warming but from climate change which brings extreme changes in weather patterns....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:35 pm    Post subject: Analysis says U.S. cold snap wasn't climate change Reply with quote

Nope, Inkling, not climate change either. super grin

Analysis says U.S. cold snap wasn't climate change
Frigid weather, like the two-week cold spell that began around Christmas, is 15 times rarer than it was a century ago, according to a team of international scientists.
'It was very definitely strange' »

WASHINGTON (AP) — Consider this cold comfort: A quick study of the brutal American cold snap found that the Arctic blast really wasn't global warming but a freak of nature.

Frigid weather like the two-week cold spell that began around Christmas is 15 times rarer than it was a century ago, according to a team of international scientists who does real-time analyses to see if extreme weather events are natural or more likely to happen because of climate change.

The cold snap that gripped the East Coast and Midwest region was a rarity that bucks the warming trend, said researcher Claudia Tebaldi of the National Center for Atmospheric Research and the private organization Climate Central.

The same team had connected several weather events last year to man-made global warming including Hurricane Harvey that battered the U.S. and Caribbean and the French floods.

"It was very definitely strange, especially now," said study co-author Gabriel Vecchi of Princeton University. A century ago "it wouldn't have been that strange. Things like this are becoming stranger."

The study by the World Weather Attribution analyzed weather records dating back to 1880 and found the cold weather that hit a swath of the U.S. from Maine to Minnesota tends to happen once every 250 years. In the early 1900s, it happened about once every 17 years. Climate change has made such cold spells less common and less intense, the group said.

That finding agrees with earlier studies, said University of Georgia meteorology professor Marshall Shepherd, who wasn't part of the study.

"I think the public frenzy over the recent cold snap illustrated that we are less acclimated to such events," he said in an email.

The study, based on observations and statistics, did not find evidence for a popular scientific theory that links melting Arctic sea ice to blasts of cold air escaping the top of the world.

The theory, which is still debated by scientists but gaining credence among many, is based on pressure changes and other factors that cause the jet stream to plunge and weather systems to get stuck. But the latest analysis didn't find such evidence.

Three scientists whose studies have connected Arctic warming to changes in extreme events disagree.

Because such atmospheric pressure changes happen occasionally, quick studies that rely on averages miss extreme events like the recent cold spell, said James Overland of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who supports the theory.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-cold-snap-freak-nature-quick-analysis-finds-140502572.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The Ocean Floor Is Sinking Reply with quote

Annamite_en_Amérique wrote:
The Ocean Floor Is Sinking Under The Water Weight From Melting Glaciers, And It’s As Bad As It Sounds
Dana Dovey, Newsweek

So much extra water is being added into the world’s oceans from melting glaciers that the ocean floor is sinking underneath its increasing weight. This ocean floor deformation also means we have miscalculated just how much ocean levels are rising and the problem could be far worse than previously believed.

Over the past 20 years, ocean basins have sunk an average of 0.004 inches per year. This means that the ocean is 0.08 inches deeper than it was two decades ago. While this small fragment of an inch may not seem much, oceans cover 70 percent of our planet, making the problem bigger than it seems at an initial glance.
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Related: Snow In Hawaii? Mauna Kea Covered In Up To 8 Inches Of Snow
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Small coastal areas won’t be the only ones to disappear due to rising waters and if current estimates are correct, by 2100 the ocean will rise between 11 and 38 inches, a number that could mean that much of the U.S. east coast will be covered in water, National Geographic reported.

http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-sinking-ocean-rising-sea-levels-772862


well, this is interesting.... The bottom of the ocean sank less than one eighth of inch world wide over several years and we could measure it. Oh wait, we didn't measure it... An elastic sea level equation was used... super weird

And "Recently, rising temperatures have caused much of the frozen waters in the planet's glaciers to melt....." Yup, where I live was under ice 20,000 years ago. The first 10,000 years of melting, the ocean's level rose 360 feet: 36 feet in 1,000 years, 3.6 feet in 100 years, or an average of 4.3 inches in ten years, or .43 inches a year. That's 2.5 feet in a human life span.

This article says that pace will be reached again... Really? Today it is no where near that.

Well. We will have to see if it happens. It won't take long, in three years we would be up over an inch. Hey Inkling 7, get your ruler out!!!!! big wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: I forgot.... Reply with quote

I dated a delightful Polynesian girl in college. She claimed she skied in Hawaii. That would be 1965ish. Hearts luv at sight Hearts
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:16 pm    Post subject: Climate change Reply with quote

You really are an ignoramus when it comes to climate change aren’t you Unmask... Google polar bears and climate change and educate yourself for once and get your damn head out of the sand... And then explain to a lot of islanders in the Pacific why their islands are shrinking at an alarming rate and think of what is going on outside the US for a change...

Maybe the unfortunate girl meant water skiing? super grin
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:29 am    Post subject: Snow in Hawaii Reply with quote

UnMask wrote:
I dated a delightful Polynesian girl in college. She claimed she skied in Hawaii. That would be 1965ish.

inkling7 wrote:
Maybe the unfortunate girl meant water skiing? super grin

Or maybe she travelled in time and ended up in 2017? wink

For this is what she would see:

Snow in Hawaii: Mauna Kea Covered in Up to 8 Inches in Unseasonal Snowstorm
By Dana Dovey On 11/29/17 at 1:41 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/snow-hawaii-mauna-loa-covered-8-inches-unseasonal-snowstorm-726158
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 am    Post subject: Climate Change: Extreme Temperatures Reply with quote

Frozen eyelashes: Russia sees minus 88.6 F
Plunging temperatures in Russia's remote Yakutia region drop to minus 88.6 degrees Fahrenheit. Deaths reported »

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MOSCOW (AP) — Even thermometers can't keep up with the plunging temperatures in Russia's remote Yakutia region, which hit minus 67 degrees Celsius (minus 88.6 degrees Fahrenheit) in some areas Tuesday.

In Yakutia — a region of 1 million people about 3,300 miles (5,300 kilometers) east of Moscow — students routinely go to school even in minus 40 degrees. But school was canceled Tuesday throughout the region and police ordered parents to keep their children inside.

In the village of Oymyakon, one of the coldest inhabited places on earth, state-owned Russian television showed the mercury falling to the bottom of a thermometer that was only set up to measure down to minus 50 degrees. In 2013, Oymyakon recorded an all-time low of minus 71 degrees Celsius (minus 98 Fahrenheit).

Over the weekend, two men froze to death when they tried to walk to a nearby farm after their car broke down. Three other men with them survived because they were wearing warmer clothes, investigators reported.

But the press office for Yakutia's governor said Tuesday that all households and businesses in the region have working central heating and access to backup power generators.

Residents of Yakutia are no strangers to cold weather and this week's cold spell was not even dominating local news headlines Tuesday.

But some media outlets published cold-weather selfies and stories about stunts in the extreme cold. Women posted pictures of their frozen eyelashes, while YakutiaMedia published a picture of Chinese students who got undressed to take a plunge in a thermal spring.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/big-freeze-russias-yakutia-sees-near-record-cold-131009936.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_14

I CANNOT IMAGINE minus 71 degrees Celsius (minus 98 Fahrenheit)!! Eek

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... Chinese students who got undressed to take a plunge in a thermal spring

Doesn't a human die of shock being exposed to such temperatures without clothes? Then getting out of the water into the subfreezing air? confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:39 am    Post subject: Climate Change: Extreme Temperatures Reply with quote

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Even thermometers can't keep up with the plunging temperatures in Russia's remote Yakutia region, which hit minus 67 degrees Celsius (minus 88.6 degrees Fahrenheit) in some areas Tuesday.

While last week, Australia recorded 117°F (47°C) !!!

I seem to remember, though, that in Death Valley in the US, or in the Empty Quarter in Arabia, the temperature can reach 50°C.
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