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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject: Fire Island Beaches Reply with quote

I remember being with Wildflower on Fire Island when the beach front was gone... right to the houses... and mean gone...

The state constantly pumps the sand back into place....

My family had a waterfront home not too far from her and they moved in '71 when the ocean passed through the family room and kitchen once too often....

After Super Storm Sandy, Fire Island grew 2/10ths of a mile to the west of Wildflowers' old home.... but her beach disappeared again...

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Unmask, are you saying that 99% of world scientists are wrong, and that you know better (like Trump knows better than the generals)? Question

Sure.... but really I am wary because most of the solutions require us to sacrifice $$$ in one way or another..... or cause harm to employment.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Fire Island Beaches Reply with quote

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vu wrote:
Unmask, are you saying that 99% of world scientists are wrong, and that you know better (like Trump knows better than the generals)? Question

Sure.... but really I am wary because most of the solutions require us to sacrifice $$$ in one way or another..... or cause harm to employment.

Would you mind elaborating what you mean here? Coz I confess I don't quite follow you. confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:09 am    Post subject: NASA: Climate change: How do we know? Reply with quote

NASA: Climate change: How do we know?

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:18 am    Post subject: Climate Change Reply with quote

NASA isn't the only scientific organisation to find these same findings so we know it has to be true and why would all these various scientific bodies from all over the world lie when we can often see with our own eyes what is happening.. Lots of little islands in the Pacific region are shrinking so fast that populations who have been living on them for centuries may have to be evacuated to larger islands. One documentary where they were talking to the chief showed this. He pointed to the roof of a large hut and said his grandfather and forebears had lived there for centuries as did he but it was now underwater and he and his family had to move out a couple of decades ago as it was being overtaken by the sea. the hut looked to be about 100 metres out to sea... Scary really...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:29 am    Post subject: Trump looking at fast ways to quit global climate deal Reply with quote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-looking-fast-ways-quit-global-climate-deal-094918065--sector.html

Trump looking at fast ways to quit global climate deal
By Valerie Volcovici and Alister Doyle, Reuters

WASHINGTON/MARRAKESH, Morocco (Reuters) - President-elect Donald Trump is seeking quick ways to withdraw the United States from a global accord to combat climate change, a source on his transition team said, defying broad global backing for the plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

Since Trump's election victory on Tuesday, governments ranging from China to small island states have reaffirmed support for the 2015 Paris agreement during climate talks involving 200 nations set to run until Friday in Marrakesh, Morocco.

Trump has called global warming a hoax and has promised to quit the Paris Agreement, which was strongly supported by outgoing Democratic U.S. President Barack Obama.

Trump's advisers are considering ways to bypass a theoretical four-year procedure for leaving the accord, according to the source, who works on Trump's transition team for international energy and climate policy.

"It was reckless for the Paris agreement to enter into force before the election" on Tuesday, the source told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Paris accord won enough backing for entry into force on Nov. 4, four days before the election.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Sunday in New Zealand the Obama administration would do everything it could to implement the Paris accord before Trump takes office.

The accord says in its Article 28 that any country wanting to pull out after signing on has to wait four years. In theory, the earliest date for withdrawal would be Nov. 4, 2020, around the time of the next U.S. presidential election.

The source said the future Trump administration is weighing alternatives to accelerate the pull-out: sending a letter withdrawing from the 1992 international framework accord that is the parent treaty of the Paris Agreement; voiding U.S. involvement in both in a year's time; or issuing a presidential order simply deleting the U.S. signature from the Paris accord.

Withdrawing from the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) would be controversial, partly because it was signed by former Republican President George H.W. Bush in 1992 and approved by the U.S. Senate. The action also could antagonize many other countries.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:03 pm    Post subject: climate change, global warming Reply with quote

Given who Trump is appointing to the EPA..... he is going to heat up the global warming issue..

www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/11/meet-the-man-trump-is-relying-on-to-unravel-obamas-environmental-legacy/?utm_term=.cfb2625e5932
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:56 pm    Post subject: Appointment to EPA Reply with quote

Well it seems Trump is going appoint people to his inner circle and important positions a bunch of people who are hell bent on making real gooses of themselves... A flock of geese to make the rest of the world look on in dismay....

That would be right appoint a climate change denier to the position of environment management an idiot to another top position who seems to have no regard for human rights unless they are white males rights...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: climate change, global warming Reply with quote

UnMask wrote:
Given who Trump is appointing to the EPA..... he is going to heat up the global warming issue..

I heard that on TV and when I told him, even my helper Jeff, who's not either highly educated or politically savvy, rolled his eyes in dismay...

We have a rough four years ahead of us. And the legacy of those four years, since we can be sure that whoever Trump is going to appoint to the Supreme Court is going to be a right-wing reactionary of the first order. cry me a river
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:19 pm    Post subject: limate Change Isn’t a Chinese Hoax Reply with quote

China: Climate Change Isn’t a Chinese Hoax

Dismissing the claim made in the now-infamous tweet by President-elect Donald Trump, China says it didn’t fabricate the concept of climate change—and pointed to two Republican icons as its evidence. Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said in Morocco on Wednesday that Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush started the global-warming conversation in the late 1980s and that the concept is not a “hoax” perpetuated by the Chinese government. The initial panel on climate change began as a joint project between the UN Environmental Program and the World Meteorological Organization during Reagan’s presidency. Since that time, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change—which won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007—has published five reports, using findings from global climate experts, to create a “full scientific and technical assessment of climate change.” Liu said, “If you look at the history of climate-change negotiations, actually it was initiated by the IPCC with the support of the Republicans during the Reagan and senior Bush administration during the late 1980s.” Trump has not yet replied—on Twitter or otherwise—to Liu’s statement. Trump’s original tweet has garnered more than 104,000 retweets in four years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/china-tells-trump-that-climate-change-is-no-hoax-it-invented
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:20 pm    Post subject: Trump Picks Climate Skeptic For EPA Reply with quote

Trump Picks Climate Skeptic For EPA

Two sources close to Donald Trump’s campaign say that the president-elect has chosen a climate skeptic to lead his EPA transition team. Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute, is in charge of the transition plans. Ebell is the chairman of the Cooler Heads Coalition, a group of nonprofits that “question global warming alarmism and oppose energy-rationing policies.” Trump himself has frequently doubted the reality of climate change.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/?wt.mc=SA_Facebook-Share
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