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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:07 pm    Post subject: US official: Russia 'hacked' 21 US states in election Reply with quote

US official: Russia 'hacked' 21 US states in election

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40357357?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

Russian hackers targeted election systems in 21 US states during last
year's campaign, said a US official.

Jeanette Manfra of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) refused to
identify the states during her testimony before a Senate panel, citing
confidentiality agreements.

But she added there was no evidence to suggest actual vote ballots were
altered in the election hack.

US intelligence agencies believe Moscow interfered to help Donald Trump
win.

Ms Manfra, the department's acting deputy undersecretary of cyber
security, testified on Wednesday before the Senate Intelligence committee,
which is investigating Russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 election.

"As of right now, we have evidence that election-related systems in 21
states were targeted," she told the panel.

She said DHS still had confidence in the US voting system because they are
"fundamentally resilient".

The Kremlin has repeatedly denied any involvement in election cyber hacks
while Mr Trump has dismissed allegations that his campaign colluded with
Russia as "fake news".

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Tuesday refused to say whether
Mr Trump believes Russia interfered in the 2016 election.

"I have not sat down and talked to him about that specific thing," Mr
Spicer said during a daily news briefing.

"Obviously we've been dealing with a lot of other issues today. I'd be
glad to touch base."

Senator Mark Warner, a top Democrat on the panel, argued on Wednesday the
country was "not any safer" in concealing which states were hit in the
hack.

Both Arizona and Illinois last year confirmed that their voter
registration systems had been attacked by hackers.

Republican Senator Marco Rubio also expressed concern, adding that as the
investigation continues "it is important Americans understand how our
voting systems work and communicate that in real time".

Ms Manfra's comments echoed earlier testimony by Samuel Liles, acting
director of the DHS cyber division.

Mr Liles told Congress DHS detected hacking activities last spring and
summer and later received reports of cyber probing of election systems.

But he added: "None of these systems were involved in vote tallying."

Mr Liles also said "a small number of networks were exploited - they made
it through the door."
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Never-Ending Election Reply with quote

He just can't let it go, can he? Rolling Eyes

Trump Rants About Hillary on Sunday Morning—Again!

President Donald Trump was re-hashing the 2016 presidential election again on Twitter Sunday morning, accusing Hillary Clinton of “colluding” with her own party to damage her rival in the Democratic primary, Bernie Sanders. “Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders,” Trump tweeted. “Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!” The Justice Department is currently investigating whether Trump associates colluded with Russian operatives in the latter’s efforts to meddle in the election.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878946025662296064
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject: Trump Claims ‘Other People’ Could’ve Hacked Election Reply with quote

Oh sure! Obama hacked the election so his party would lose... Rolling Eyes

Trump Claims ‘Other People’ Could’ve Hacked 2016 Election
BY Olivia Messer
Donald Trump kicked off his European tour ranting about President Obama, NBC, CNN and other actors who may have hacked the U.S. election besides Russia.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-attacks-u-s-spies-says-other-people-could-have-hacked-2016?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning

Trump Attacks U.S. Spies, Says ‘Other People’ Could’ve Hacked 2016
Donald Trump kicked off his European tour ranting about President Obama, NBC, CNN, and other actors who may have hacked the U.S. election besides Russia.
Olivia Messer

President Trump began his tour of Eastern Europe on Thursday with a rant that cast U.S. intelligence agencies as untrustworthy in their assessment that Russia interfered in the U.S. presidential election. Trump even deflected blame away from Moscow for election-related hacking.

“I think it was Russia, and I think it could’ve been other people and other countries,” Trump said. “Nobody really knows for sure. A lot of people interfere. It’s been happening for a long time.”

Trump appeared with Polish President Andrzej Duda in Warsaw en route to the G-20 summit, where the commander in chief is set to have his first face-to-face meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Independent cybersecurity firms, relying on a host of technical indicators, began fingering the Russian government for the hack of the Democratic National Committee in the summer of 2016. Putin has even admitted that “patriotic” Russian hackers may have been behind the breach.

Speaking in Warsaw, Trump said he doubted how many U.S. intelligence agencies assessed the Kremlin's effort in a January report.

“We did some heavy research,” Trump said. “It turned out to be three or four. It wasn’t 17.” It is unusual for a U.S. president to attack his own intelligence agencies, who are responsible for guarding against overseas threats, on foreign soil.

Trump also erroneously claimed the U.S. press corrected its reporting after his supposed “research,” another virtually unprecedented action overseas. The unsubstantiated attack on the press was made next to the chairman of Poland’s Law and Justice party, which “transformed the public broadcaster into a propaganda mouthpiece for the government,” according to The Economist.

Remarkably, Trump did not mention whether he planned to discuss the meddling with Putin in Hamburg, Germany, on Friday.

Trump has consistently refused to blame the Kremlin for interfering in the election that landed him in the White House, but he did point fingers at former President Barack Obama on Thursday.

“Why did he do nothing about it?” Trump asked. “He was told it was Russia by the CIA, as I understand it. He did nothing about it. They say he choked. Well, I don’t think he choked. I think what happened is he thought Hillary Clinton was going to win the election and he thought ‘Well, let’s not do anything about it.’’

“He did nothing about it,” Trump repeated. “Why did he do nothing?”

“Mistakes have been made,” he continued. “I agree, I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and other countries. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure.”

On Wednesday, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the U.S. may begin working with the Russians to stem the loss of lives in Syria’s civil war.

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, released a statement on Thursday claiming that Trump’s remarks in Poland “undermine U.S. interests.”

“This is not putting America first, but continuing to propagate his own personal fiction at the country’s expense,” Schiff wrote. “President Trump must have the courage to raise the issue of Russian interference in our elections directly with President Putin, otherwise the Kremlin will conclude he is too weak to stand up to them. That would be a historic mistake, with damaging implications for our foreign policy for years to come.”

Trump also used the opportunity to slap down CNN.

He noted that the network “has some pretty serious problems.”

“They have been fake news for a long time,” he continued.

“They’ve been covering me in a very dishonest way. Do you have that also, by the way, Mr. President?” he asked Duda.

“NBC is equally as bad, despite the fact that I made them a fortune with The Apprentice, but they forgot that,” he said.

“We want to see fair press. We don’t want fake news.”

Trump also addressed—for the first time—North Korea’s intercontinental ballistic missile launch Tuesday. Officials believe the weapon is capable of striking Alaska.

“It’s a shame they’re behaving this way—they’re behaving in a very, very dangerous manner and something will have to be done about it,” Trump said.

“I don’t know, we will see what happens,” he said, refusing to elaborate. “I have some pretty severe things that we are thinking about. That doesn’t mean we are going to do it. I don’t draw red lines.”

In a turnaround from the joint press conference, Trump targeted Russia during his speech to a raucous crowd just hours later, calling out the Kremlin for “destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes, including Syria and Iran.”

He publicly asked that Russia “instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and in defense of civilization itself.”

Trump also said that NATO must “meet new forms of aggression, including propaganda, financial crimes, and cyberwarfare,” adding that the alliance “must adapt to compete effectively in new ways and on all new battlefields.”

He reiterated that more member countries must contribute more money, while at the same time affirming that the U.S. stands behind Article 5, the organization’s principle for common defense.

“To those who would criticize our tough stance, I would point out that the United States has demonstrated not merely with words, but with its actions, that we stand firmly behind Article 5,” he said.

Even still, he added: “Europe must do more.”
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:20 pm    Post subject: Election results skewed by a foreign power Reply with quote

I really don't understand. In any other democratic country, if it's been proven without a doubt that a foreign power had manipulated the election, the results would be invalidated ipso facto. And yet Trump is still president, and people from right or left are still discussing it instead of doing something about it.

I think I understand now that UnMask was right when he said that the US was, and I quote, "not a democracy, it's a republic" [my comment on that being Rolling Eyes , but that's a slightly different matter]. The point is, between the undemocratic electoral college, and the fact that the election was skewed, one cannot consider Trump as having been democratically elected. So never mind impeachment for something unlawful or unconstitutional he's done. Because of all those manipulations, the election should be considered null and void, but isn't.

Can someone please explain it to me? confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:50 pm    Post subject: The Real Clinton Conspiracy Reply with quote

The Real Hillary Clinton Conspiracy Is What Stuck Us With President Donald Trump
BY Michael Tomasky
The most royally screwed-over person in the history of American politics should be in the White House, right now.

Wednesday morning, Donald Trump went back to the well, and he tried to change the subject to Hillary:

Not one of his most offensive tweets, but surely among the most pathetic. “May have gotten away with”? He’s accused her of everything short of homicide, most of the time with no evidence at all, and now he’s reduced to the conditional tense?

Others were less tentative. Sean Hannity started out his interview with Don Jr. Tuesday night slamming us fake media types for totally ignoring the supposed huge scandal of the Clinton campaign coordinating with Ukraine last year, because they did it too, see, and it was even worse, and why aren’t the media all over that?

He was referring to a long Politico piece from back in January that told the story of a woman, Alexandra Chalupa, who was a consultant to the Democratic National Committee. Of Ukrainian heritage, she was quite naturally interested all things relating to Russia and her home country, including the doings of Paul Manafort.

It’s a long and complicated story, but ultimately one that alleges nothing more than that some Ukrainian politicians and Ukrainian figures in America supported Clinton and opposed Trump and did and said things, normal things, to promote their preferred outcome. Chalupa researched Manafort’s Russia connections. She told Politico that she “occasionally shared her findings with officials from the DNC and the Clinton campaign.” There is no time frame on this, and no discussion of what “occasionally” meant. In any case, Chalupa, identified in news stories as “Ukrainian-American,” presumably was and is (unlike Natalia Veselnitskaya) an American citizen, doing research in her private time.

And that’s it. She didn’t email Chelsea Clinton dangling dirt on Trump sourced to the Ukrainian government. Chelsea did not write back “I love it.” Chalupa did not get a resulting meeting with Chelsea, John Podesta, and Robbie Mook. And across all of Politico’s sprawling 2,500 or so words, there is no allegation that Ukrainian efforts to promote Clinton were coordinated in Kiev by the Poroshenko government, while the efforts to promote Trump and to damage Clinton were of course run directly out of the Kremlin.

Gee, other than all that, Sean, they’re exactly the same.

Donald Trump’s fortunes will wax and wane, Sean Hannity’s ratings will go up and down, and the Republican Party will see good days and bad. But one thing will never change: They’ll beat up on Hillary until the day she dies. After, actually. They’ll decide she didn’t leave enough to charity. Or left too much. Whatever. It will always be something.

And in the press at least, outside of a few columnists, Clinton won’t have many defenders, because the fashionable thing is always to bash her, too. And of course, she and Bill have made their mistakes. Both Clintons were way too insensitive to the appearances of their actions, like how much money they were making. And as I’ve written many times, I think she decided to use a private server because she put her distrust of those out to get her (like Judicial Watch) ahead of her obligation to public transparency. It doesn’t matter that Colin Powell used a private server, too. The press loved Colin Powell. They didn’t love her.

So yes. A person of flawed judgment. And the whole thing about not having a strong enough economic message turns out to have been true, too.

But honestly. Who outside of the committed right can watch what we’ve been watching and not think, Gee, I guess it would be better if she were in the White House? Because along with 90 percent of this town, I feel pretty sure we still haven’t seen the half of it. This monster has about 96 feet, and there are many shoes left to drop. This is likely to end in humiliation not just for Trump and his wretched family, but for the United States.

I’m sure that like me, you wake up some mornings and don’t know whether to be enraged or depressed or amused, or you hear the words “President Trump” on the radio and still sometimes wonder how the $@&# did that happen? Well imagine how Hillary feels. She was the target of the biggest coordinated campaign attack, stretching from the Kremlin to Julian Assange’s sitting room, in the history of American politics. She got zonked by Jim Comey 11 days before the election in a move that was totally without precedent in the history of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. And both of these after a quarter-century smear campaign that alleged everything up to and including murder but that never actually proved—and I mean proved, not “proved” to the satisfaction of millions of people who’d been worked into a state of rage against her over two decades—a single thing of importance that she did that was wrong or unethical. And still she got 3 million more votes.

A speedy, smart summary of all the news you need to know (and nothing you don't).

Three emails marked classified on her server. Three. About things like talking points for a call with the president of Malawi. And two of those may have been marked in error. And that was her great crime? For that, we have to live through this?

She’s the most royally screwed-over person in the history of American politics. She should be in the White House, right now. And she’d have been good. Maybe not great. They wouldn’t allow that. We’d be having impeachment hearings underway already, I assure you, over far smaller matters than the things we know the Trump family has done. That would be rough, but I know this much: She wouldn’t be suddenly discovering that health care is complicated, she wouldn’t have her son-in-law on the White House staff and in charge of Middle East peace, and she wouldn’t be an international embarrassment. The free nations of the world wouldn’t be trying to find ways to work around the United States of America.

That Trump is sitting in that office and not her is a tragedy. And what are we to do if, someday, we learn it was also a crime?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-real-hillary-clinton-conspiracy-is-what-stuck-us-with-president-donald-trump?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:27 pm    Post subject: A president installed by Russians Reply with quote

Wildflower wrote:
The point is, between the undemocratic electoral college, and the fact that the election was skewed, one cannot consider Trump as having been democratically elected. So never mind impeachment for something unlawful or unconstitutional he's done. Because of all those manipulations, the election should be considered null and void, but isn't
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[Hillary Clinton"] should be in the White House, right now. And she’d have been good. Maybe not great. They wouldn’t allow that. We’d be having impeachment hearings underway already, I assure you, over far smaller matters than the things we know the Trump family has done. That would be rough, but I know this much: She wouldn’t be suddenly discovering that health care is complicated, she wouldn’t have her son-in-law on the White House staff and in charge of Middle East peace, and she wouldn’t be an international embarrassment. The free nations of the world wouldn’t be trying to find ways to work around the United States of America.

That Trump is sitting in that office and not her is a tragedy. And what are we to do if, someday, we learn it was also a crime?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-real-hillary-clinton-conspiracy-is-what-stuck-us-with-president-donald-trump?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning

This is a different story, I'm posting it cos it proves that Wildflower is far from the only person believing Trump is not a legitimate Prez of the US.

Democratic Lawmaker Regrets Threatening ‘P*ssy’ Trump

Maine State Rep. Scott Hamann, a Democrat from South Portland, said he regrets a Facebook post in which he seems to threaten President Trump with physical violence. “Trump is a half-term president, at most, especially if I ever get within 10 feet of that pussy,” Hamann wrote this week in a now-deleted Facebook post. Claiming the president was “installed by the Russians,” Hamann directed anger at Trump fans, telling them, “You’re a fucking pussy. And you people are destroying America. 100% of intelligent Americans agree that Trump is a complete loser.” In a statement, Hamann expressed regret for the comments, calling them “aggressively sarcastic,” “inappropriate,” and simply “a Facebook exchange with a childhood friend.” He added: “This is not language I typically use, it does not reflect my personal values and, while misguided, it was intended to make a visceral point about the devolving political discourse in America.”

https://bangordailynews.com/2017/07/12/politics/maine-state-rep-suggests-in-profane-facebook-rant-he-would-kill-trump/?via=newsletter&source=CSAMedition
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:58 am    Post subject: Voter Fraud Reply with quote

Trump Really Puts The 'Fraud' In Voter Fraud Commission
The President is moving forward with his Voter Fraud Commission based on the hard evidence of widespread voter fraud that doesn't exist.

https://youtu.be/uNGfPjP05FE


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:00 am    Post subject: "Biggest Lie A Sitting President Has Ever Told" Reply with quote

Trump's Voter Commission Destroyed: "Biggest Lie A Sitting President Has Ever Told"
DNC Voting Rights Commission Chair Jason Kander breaks down the real reasons behind President Trump's Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity--an effort from Trump to justify his lies about voter fraud in the 2016 election, and a GOP effort to suppress the vote.

https://youtu.be/ZWU_fTsTwtw


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:33 pm    Post subject: Hallelujah!!! Reply with quote

For the very first time (though I may have missed previous times), I heard on TV a Congressman - a Republican at that, someone named Hurd - raise the question of whether foreign meddling in an election would invalidate the results of said election.

I've been saying this for ages. In any other country, the results of a hacked election would ipso facto be invalidated if the undue influence/meddling was proven.

I hope this is followed up! Then we wouldn't need Impeachment.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Hallelujah!!! Reply with quote

Wildflower wrote:
For the very first time (though I may have missed previous times), I heard on TV a Congressman - a Republican at that, someone named Hurd - raise the question of whether foreign meddling in an election would invalidate the results of said election.

I've been saying this for ages. In any other country, the results of a hacked election would ipso facto be invalidated if the undue influence/meddling was proven.

I hope this is followed up! Then we wouldn't need Impeachment.

Actually, you know, you don't have to invalidate the results. You just have to dismiss whatever the Electoral College said, and go with the popular vote.

Despite Russian meddling and the Trump crowd's best efforts, Hillary did win the popular vote. Very Happy
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