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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 4:53 pm    Post subject: Rigged Election? Voter Fraud? Rigged Polls? Reply with quote

Trump Now Recruiting Election Observers With Unfounded Fears Of Voter Fraud

He's repeatedly claimed the general election will be "rigged."

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-election-observers_us_57af30bbe4b007c36e4ef5c7?section=&
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:00 pm    Post subject: Are we heading for a rigged election? Reply with quote

Are we heading for a rigged election? It’s happened before
Newsweek

http://www.newsweek.com/are-we-heading-rigged-election-its-happened-488888?rx=us

The current election is not the first time a candidate has charged that the game was rigged. The new book Tainted by Suspicion: The Secret Deals and Electoral Chaos of Disputed Presidential Elections delves into the common thread regarding the most controversial presidential elections in history.

The focus is on elections that dragged well beyond Election Day, decided by another branch of government. Here are excerpts from three of the elections featured in the book.

1824: John Quincy Adams vs. Andrew Jackson
Andrew Jackson believed the presidency was his. He clearly made the most impressive showing, carrying a majority of electoral votes in 11 states—Alabama, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. In an election defined by regional preference, Jackson was the only national candidate.

John Adams won the formerly Federalist strongholds of the six New England states, plus New York. William Crawford carried only Delaware, his home state of Georgia, and Virginia. It was enough to put him in third place.

On December 1, 1824, the Electoral College announced the results. Jackson won the most Electoral College votes, winning 99 votes to the 84 votes for Adams. However, he didn’t have a majority, or 131, of the electoral votes that he needed. Despite coming in last place in the popular vote, Crawford would actually beat Henry Clay in the Electoral College, 41 voters to Clay’s 37 votes.

After arriving in Washington on December 7, 1824, Jackson wrote a letter to political supporter and former military ally John Coffee in Tennessee informing him of rumors that Adams and Clay had struck a deal, or would do so if they haven’t already.

Before the vote, a Philadelphia newspaper, the Colombian Observer, published an anonymous letter on January 28 claiming Clay would back Adams in return for being named secretary of state. Clay strongly denied this.

In fact, there were two meetings between Adams and Clay, on January 9 and January 29, 1825. Nevertheless, there was not a lot of reason to believe Clay was divided. He and Adams saw eye to eye for the most part on infrastructure, on tariffs, and the National Bank.

The House convened on February 9, 1825, each state having a single vote that would be determined by a majority vote inside the delegation. Clay directed Kentucky, Missouri, and Ohio—the states he won—to the Adams camp. Most of Clay’s supporters, as well as the remaining Federalists, backed Adams in the House, enough to give him a single vote victory.

The House delegations of three states that Jackson carried, Illinois, Louisiana and Maryland, went to Adams. This gave Adams a majority of 13 out of 24 states.

Though not the first president elected after a drawn out process, Adams was the only president to assume office without a majority of the electoral votes. In a dour response, Adams said he regretted that there could not be a do-over for submitting the “decision of this momentous question” again “to obtain a nearer approach to unanimity.”

On February 14, Clay accepted the offer of the president-elect Adams to serve as his secretary of state—presumably making him the next heir apparent since the last four men to lead the State Department became president.

Jackson and his supporters immediately called this a “corrupt bargain” between Adams and Clay. The caucus system was supposed to be gone, but Jackson and his supporters claimed Clay essentially resurrected it to thwart the will of the people and install Adams.

Jackson said referring to Clay: “The Judas of the West has closed the contract and will receive the thirty pieces of silver. His end will be the same.”
1876: Rutherford Hayes vs. Samuel Tilden

Democrats used violence, lynching and riots to scare blacks away from voting, knowing it was possible for Republicans to carry some Southern states. Republicans were intent that two could play at this game, and in some cases actually sought to persuade blacks to vote by shotgun.

The day before the election, U.S. Marshal J.H. Pierce of the Northern District of Mississippi telegraphed Republican National Committee Chairman Zach Chandler, asserting that:

    the election in the northern half of the state will be a farce … Colored and white Republicans will not be allowed to vote in many counties. The Tilden clubs are armed with Winchester rifles and shotguns and declare that they will carry the election at all hazards. In several counties of my district leading white and colored Republicans are now refugees asking for protection.

On November 7, 1876, Tilden won the national popular vote 4,288,546 to 4,034,311 votes for Hayes, and 184 to 165 in the Electoral College. More than 80 percent of eligible voters actually turned out, some reportedly voting more than once, and others having their votes shredded if it was for the “wrong candidate.”

It was after midnight. The RNC’s Chandler—like Rutherford Hayes—had turned in for the night convinced of the party’s loss. But using Chandler’s signature from the RNC headquarters, Daniel Sickles telegraphed the Republican governors of South Carolina, Florida and Louisiana to say, “With your state sure for Hayes, he is elected. Hold your state.”

At 3 a.m., South Carolina’s Republican Gov. Daniel Chamberlain responded on a telegraph machine, “All right. South Carolina is for Hayes. Need more troops.”

Three days after the election, November 10, President Grant issued an order to General W.T. Sherman to instruct generals in Florida and Louisiana:

    No man worthy of the office of President should be willing to hold it if it counted in or placed there by fraud. Either party can afford to be disappointed by the result, but the country cannot afford to have the result tainted by suspicion of illegal or false returns.

2000: George W. Bush vs. Al Gore

The first Tuesday of November in 2000 came the same day as the Election Day 1876—on the seventh. Half the country may have had better things to do than follow the Bore and Gush contest before election, but a decisive majority of Americans were glued after Election Day.

Bush would almost certainly have had significantly more votes had the networks not called Florida before polls closed in the heavily-Republican Panhandle, which is in the Central time zone. Gore campaign strategist Bob Beckel said that Bush lost at least 8,000 votes in the Panhandle alone because of the incorrect reporting.

Meanwhile, Republican polling firm McLaughlin and Associates estimated that Bush lost 11,500 votes because the networks reported the polls were closed in the Panhandle. Economist John Lott estimated between 7,500 and 10,000 voters in Republican counties were dissuaded from showing up.

In the popular vote, Gore beat Bush nationally with 50,996,582 to 50,456,062. That’s a half million votes. Neither candidate had 270 votes in the Electoral College. Gore had 266 votes. Bush had 246. The 20-electoral vote spread was not that different from Hayes-Tilden.

Democratic lawyers also began targeting the overseas absentee ballots from the military—which seemed to be more likely Republican voters. The attorneys threatened to sue Seminole County, where election officials corrected errors on thousands of applications for absentee ballots—many for military personnel. Democrats also targeted Duval County, which had one of the heaviest military populations in the United States. This prompted Republicans to say Democrats wanted to disenfranchise military voters.

Before this, Democrats had been able to control much of the message of demanding that every vote be counted. But when a memo surfaced from Democratic attorney Mark Herron that laid out a legal strategy for disqualifying military votes, Democrats found themselves on the defense. Despite a public relations problem, Democrats managed to disqualify 1,420 military ballots over various legal technicalities by November 17.

Retired Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, hero of the Gulf War and Bush supporter, issued a strong statement, asserting:

It’s a very sad day in our country when the men and women of our country are serving abroad and facing danger on a daily basis in places like Bosnia, Kosovo, or on ships like the USS George Washington, yet because of some technicality out of “their control, they are denied the right to vote for the president of the United States, who will be their commander-in-chief.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 10:40 pm    Post subject: Excuses, excuses Reply with quote

Well I suppose he's got to have some excuse for losing out to Hillary.... super grin
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Excuses, excuses Reply with quote

inkling7 wrote:
Well I suppose he's got to have some excuse for losing out to Hillary.... super grin

Oh yes, he sees defeat looming, and is doing sort of a pre-emptive strike, LOL. He's been sliding badly in the polls, and he can see the writing on the wall.

The first time the Donald "complained" about rigged elections, Obama mocked him, saying it was the first time he ever saw anyone complain about a rigged election before anybody even voted. He said that if, just before the vote, Trump had been ahead 15 percentage points then lost the election, then yes, he'd be justified in suspecting foul play. But right now he's 9 points behind Hillary nationwide, as much as15 points behind her in some crucial States, so if he ends up losing, it wouldn't be a great surprise. Why would Hillary rig an election she's winning??
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:07 am    Post subject: Rigging or no rigging.. Reply with quote

Hopefully, she won't be assassinated.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:03 am    Post subject: Election Observers Reply with quote

Election observers could have watched the stealing of the governorship of Connecticut and it would not have mattered...

Bridgeport,Ct,USA had the "republican" side of town (one district) run out of ballots at 8AM. It was some time before more were obtained.

Another section of town it was claimed people didn't have 'time' to vote, so the polls in only one Democratic town, Bridgeport, stayed open two extra hours. While more ballots were printed on Kinko's copy machines..(a local print shop.) the boxes were stuffed.

The election was stolen, and the courts did nothing... Mad

The governor is now hated....

Trump wastes time, wastes energy, wastes talent firing up 40% of the population.

He can't win. But Hillary can lose....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Election Observers Reply with quote

UnMask wrote:
He can't win. But Hillary can lose....

So who will we end up with? wonder
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:00 pm    Post subject: Guccifer2.0 Reply with quote

I think Guccifer2.0 is going to destroy Hillary with whatever showed up in the 33,000 emails of hers, plus George Soros' data hack, plus Democratic National Committee's swiped data...

Note: Trump will not "win"..... He is incapable of that.

Hillary will lose..... With what information in the dump by Guccifer2.0 I don't know...

Democrats feel Guccifer2.0 is Russia. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:39 pm    Post subject: So, who? Reply with quote

Ok if Trump can't win and Clinton will lose why haven't you answered Wildfower's question? Who will win then?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:53 am    Post subject: It's rigged!!! (Borowitz Report) Reply with quote

Trump Blames Bad Poll Numbers on Existence of Numerical System
By Andy Borowitz

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-blames-bad-poll-numbers-on-existence-of-numerical-system

YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump lashed out a new target on Monday, blaming his bad poll numbers on the existence of the numerical system.

In sometimes rambling remarks at an outdoor rally in Ohio, the Republican Presidential nominee called the numerical system “rigged” and unleashed a torrent of abuse on numbers themselves, calling them “disgusting” and “the lowest form of life.”

“It’s why I won’t release my taxes,” he said. “They’re full of goddam numbers.”

While Republican candidates in the past have attempted to exploit their supporters’ distrust of math, Trump is believed to be the first nominee to call into question the numerical system itself.

Behind the scenes, G.O.P. insiders fretted that, in attacking the very existence of numbers, Trump was veering wildly off message.

“He should be talking about Hillary Clinton, and instead he’s going off on integers,” one insider said.

Officially, aides remained upbeat about the campaign and denied reports that Trump was spending an increasingly large portion of each day angrily muttering to himself and chewing on paper.
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