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Hillary Clinton and Trump - The Last Stretch & Beyond
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Cool it, guy and gal! Reply with quote

inkling7 wrote:
Oh FFS Unmask you really are becoming the Village Idiot aren't you....

UnMask wrote:
Your response is worthless..... Crying or Very sad

inkling7 wrote:
Most of your posts lately are worthless too...

Cool it, guy and gal! peace

Trading insults will get us nowhere. Let's stick to the topic. Cool

Actually, you're both right. Inkling's latest response wasn't really one, and UnMask's posts have been particularly irrelevant or pointless lately. There was a time when his posts were worth reading. Lately, he's been too much influenced by Trump, Limbaugh and their ilk and seems to have stopped thinking for himself. Very Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:37 am    Post subject: "Why I voted for Trump" Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: Trump’s Never-Ending Complaint about Hillary Clinton Reply with quote

Trump’s Never-Ending Complaint about Hillary Clinton and the F.B.I.
By Amy Davidson Sorkin

At Donald Trump’s press conference on Wednesday, John Roberts, of Fox News, asked him if he would agree to sit down for an interview with Robert Mueller, the special counsel looking into possible Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. Specifically, Roberts wanted to know if the President would do it “without condition,” or would instead demand “a strict set of parameters.” Trump routinely sets parameters, of course, which at times seem to bend reality, and he did so in his answer.

Trump, who was sharing the stage with the Prime Minister of Norway, began with a quick dismissal of the idea that there had been any collusion between his campaign and Russia “or between Trump and the Russians”—he frequently refers to himself in the third person, and perhaps, to him, it sounds natural. Why make the distinction if Trump is as big as the world? Then he launched into a ritual whine: “When you talk about interviews, Hillary Clinton had an interview where she wasn’t sworn in, she wasn’t given the oath, they didn’t take notes, they didn’t record, and it was done on the Fourth of July weekend. Uh, that’s, perhaps, ridiculous.” He said that last line with a dismayed twirl of his hands. And it did sound strange, if not inscrutable, to all but the initiated.

Before Trump speaks, it would be useful to have something like the short recaps that play before episodes of TV series, pointing to scenes in previous seasons, to help explain his strings of shorthand references to purported scandals or outrages. In this case, though, the flashback has been doctored. Hillary Clinton did indeed have an interview, one she had agreed to without being compelled, about issues related to her private e-mail server, and it was over the Fourth of July weekend, four months before the 2016 election. She wasn’t “given the oath” but only because, in such interviews, there is no call for one: it is a crime to lie to federal agents. (Trump should know this; it was the charge that his former national-security adviser, Michael Flynn, pleaded guilty to, when he agreed to coöperate with Mueller.) And though the F.B.I.’s general practice is not to electronically record such interviews, the agents did take careful notes. Indeed, dozens of pages of those notes have been released.

No matter. “A lot of people looked on that as being a very serious breach, and it really was,” Trump said, referring, again, to the supposedly lax parameters of Clinton’s interview. As has become increasingly clear over the first year of Trump’s Presidency, he cannot stop himself from turning almost any occasion—almost any critical note—into a cue for a complaint about Clinton. The Hillary test he seems to administer is simple, illogical, repetitive, and tiresome: yes, he is in the White House—but why isn’t she in prison? The question seems to baffle him, perhaps because he thought that the Presidency came with a sort of magic wand that could banish some people to towers, and others to silence. But his response on Wednesday also raises a specific question: If the F.B.I.’s interview of Clinton was the wrong way to question a Presidential candidate, what is the right way to question a President? Does Trump want the treatment Clinton got (either the soft version he presents, or the reality), or the handling he thinks that she deserved to get, or a Trumpian deal of his very own? And is the answer dependent on the requirements of the law?

“I’ll speak to attorneys,” Trump told Roberts. “I can only say this: there was absolutely no collusion.” He called the Russian investigation a “phony cloud” before turning, again, in the direction of Clinton, saying that the whole story was a “Democratic hoax that was brought up as an excuse for losing the election.” He added a complaint about how the Democrats, to his mind, had an Electoral College edge. The point seemed to be that Democrats, and the media, were talking about Russia when they should be talking about Trump.

When Roberts pushed again about whether he would at least meet with Mueller, Trump said, “We’ll see what happens.” He then reiterated that there was no collusion. Given that, he added, “It seems unlikely that you’d even have an interview.” It was as if he were trying to save Mueller from the awkwardness of a situation, in which, once the Trump campaign’s non-collusion was taken as axiomatic, there would be nothing to say.

If it comes to that, there might be plenty to say about, for example, Russian interference attempts, and whether or not they were met; other alleged crimes that Mueller has come across; the firing of James Comey, the former F.B.I. director, and possible obstruction of justice. (Insinuations that the F.B.I. somehow mishandled Hillary Clinton were also part of the Administration’s rationale for dismissing Comey.) There might even be lessons about how to make the electoral process more secure the next time around. But Trump, as it happened, had his own idea for how the F.B.I. might better spend its time.

“There is collusion. But it really is with the Democrats and the Russians, far more than it is with the Republicans and the Russians. So the witch hunt continues.” And so, no doubt, will the wails about Hillary Clinton. Who, in that case, is being hunted?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:01 pm    Post subject: Dream scenario: Clinton could still become president Reply with quote

It seems to me this has already been posted. It may have been, and disappeared in the crash. If not, well, sorry for the double post. super grin

Hillary Clinton could still become president, Harvard professor says
By Bradford Richardson - The Washington Times - Thursday, January 18, 2018

Harvard Law School professor Lawrence Lessig says there’s still a scenario in which Hillary Clinton becomes president.

A candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination himself, Mr. Lessig envisioned a scenario in which President Trump resigns or is impeached, Vice President Mike Pence resigns or is impeached, and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan — who would be next in line — nominates Mrs. Clinton to be his vice president, and then steps aside to let her have the job.

“This is one way that it could happen,” Mr. Lessigtold Newsweek on Wednesday. “But that’s very different from saying I think it will happen, or should happen, or the evidence is there for it to happen.”

The scheme was originally hypothesized in an essay Mr. Lessig penned last October

If the president and vice president are impeached for colluding with the Russians to win the White House, the professor said Mrs. Clinton is the rightful heir to the throne.

“If Ryan became President because the Trump/Pence campaign committed treason, who should he nominate as his Vice President?” Mr. Lessig wrote on Medium. “The answer seems unavoidable: He should nominate the person defeated by the treason of his own party, and then step aside, and let her become the President.”

Mr. Lessig said he hasn’t seen anything to resolve “whether there was some conspiracy to steal the election.”

But if evidence of collusion is found, he said Mr. Trump must step down.

“Absolutely, he’s got to resign,” Mr. Lessig told Newsweek, “and if he doesn’t resign, then absolutely Congress needs to impeach him.”

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Dream scenario: Clinton could still become president Reply with quote

inkpot wrote:
It seems to me this has already been posted. It may have been, and disappeared in the crash. If not, well, sorry for the double post. super grin

Yes, I do remember something very similar, but slightly different as to the details.

I don't recall whether it was around the time of the crash.

Anyway, it's highly improbable that this should happen (especially, why should Ryan step aside once he's president? Not to mention, why would he name Hillary as VP?) But one can always dream. wink
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