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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:47 pm    Post subject: Fighting the Muslim Invasion Reply with quote

Swiss anger at Muslim boys over female handshake snub
Syrian family's citizenship process impeded after two boys' refusal to shake female teachers' hands for Islamic reasons.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/switzerland-halts-citizenship-bid-handshake-row-160419144943816.html

Switzerland halts citizenship bid over handshake row
aljazeera.com

Switzerland has suspended the citizenship process for the family of two teenage Syrian brothers after the boys' refusal to shake hands with their female teachers for religious reasons.

The incident has sparked a national debate over religious freedoms in Switzerland.

The brothers, aged 14 and 15, who are sons of a Syrian political refugee granted asylum in 2001, had informed education officials in the northern municipality of Therwil that physical contact with women who are not family members violated their interpretation of Islam.

On Tuesday, authorities in the canton of Basel-Country where Therwil is located, said that naturalisation proceedings for the family had been put on hold.

The report also noted that such suspensions are common in citizenship procedures as authorities often require supplemental information about the families concerned.

The two boys had been exempted from a Swiss custom of pupils shaking teachers' hands, with Therwil officials instructing them to avoid contact with male teachers as well to avoid gender discrimination.

But the compromise sparked a heated response from leading Swiss politicians including Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga who insisted that "shaking hands is part of (Swiss) culture".

The Swiss news agency Le News quoted Georges Thüring, the president of the commission that oversees local citizenship applications, as saying: "I don't think we can talk of integration in relation to handshake objectors. Personally, I would reject their request" adding that "as president of the commission, I assure you that the request will be examined properly, like any other".

Le news also said that when interviewed, the two students insisted that requiring them to shake hands with teachers is discriminatory. "No one can force us to touch hands," said one of them.

Switzerland's population of eight million includes an estimated 350,000 Muslims.

Previous similar disputes have centred on Muslim parents who demanded that their daughters be exempt from swimming lessons.

Muslim families have, however, secured victories in court against schools that sought to ban the full face veil.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:52 pm    Post subject: For reference Reply with quote

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Outrage as Muslim pupils exempt from shaking female teachers' hands in Swiss district

https://www.yahoo.com/news/muslim-students-exempted-shaking-female-teachers-hand-swiss-152233419.html

GENEVA (AFP) - Male Muslim students at a school in northern Switzerland will no longer have to shake hands with their female teachers, following a ruling that was on Monday causing an uproar in the country.

A school in the northern municipality of Therwil, in the canton of Basel, reached the controversial decision after two male students, aged 14 and 15, complained that the Swiss custom of shaking hands with the teacher is counter to their religious beliefs if the teacher is a woman.

They argued that Islam does not permit physical contact with a person of the opposite sex, with the exception of certain immediate family members.

The local Therwil council did not support the school's decision, "but will not intervene as (it) is the responsibility of the school to set the rules," spokeswoman Monika Wyss told AFP in a statement.

The decision triggered an outcry across Switzerland with Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga insisting on Swiss public television Monday that "shaking hands is part of our culture."

Felix Mueri, who heads the parliamentary commission on science, education and culture, meanwhile described the custom to the 20Minuten news site as "a gesture of respect and good manners."

Christoph Eymann, who heads the Swiss Conference of Cantonal Ministers of Education, agreed, insisting: "We cannot tolerate that women in the public service are treated differently from men."

Basel-Country canton authorities, who have the power to overturn the Therwil decision, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

But the canton's education chief Monica Gschwind told media she viewed the school's decision as "pragmatic" although "not a lasting solution".

Muslim groups meanwhile decried the polemic around the issue.

"One would think that the continued existence of Switzerland's core values was at stake, when this particular case in fact involves just two high school students who have said they wish to greet their teacher in a different way than with a handshake," the Islamic Central Council of Switzerland said in a statement.

The group pointed out that "classical (Islamic) jurisprudence and the vast majority of contemporary legal scholars ... assume a clear prohibition of this contact form (handshakes) between the sexes."

The Federation of Islamic Organizations in Switzerland (FIOS) however maintained that handshakes between men and women were "theologically premissable" and were common in some Muslim countries, insisting the issue should not be problematic in Switzerland.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:56 pm    Post subject: Fighting the Muslim Invasion Reply with quote

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Switzerland has suspended the citizenship process for the family of two teenage Syrian brothers after the boys' refusal to shake hands with their female teachers for religious reasons.

Hurray for Switzerland! That's what integration is about - comply with the customs of the host country. Something the Muslims (well, most of them) fail to understand.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:35 pm    Post subject: Follow Napoléon's example Reply with quote

(From the article posted under "An Ode to France" - This is a quote, translated through Google.)

For years, a rogue and violent Islam has declared war on our country. Alas, the French Muslims and bodies representing them have not reacted with the vigor that the country expected. Certainly, the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), torn between spiritual and several foreign influences, has always condemned the attacks. But for the national community, these somewhat agreed statements had a taste of too little.

Since the night of 13 November, however, things are moving. French imams and Muslims proclaim their attachment to the French flag. This enthusiasm is new ... Why not take inspiration from the Great Sanhedrin, created in 1806 by Napoleon. He had faced the Jews of France with their responsibilities as citizens by asking them twelve questions on the compatibility of rules laid down by the Hebraic religion with the values ​​of the Empire. This initiative was approved by the then almost all consulted rabbis. Today, the Great Sanhedrin is considered the finest example of assimilation of a religious minority.

Two centuries later, Napoleon's initiative should inspire our policies.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Follow Napoléon's example Reply with quote

Annamite_en_France wrote:
Why not take inspiration from the Great Sanhedrin, created in 1806 by Napoleon. He had faced the Jews of France with their responsibilities as citizens by asking them twelve questions on the compatibility of rules laid down by the Hebraic religion with the values ​​of the Empire. This initiative was approved by the then almost all consulted rabbis. Today, the Great Sanhedrin is considered the finest example of assimilation of a religious minority.

Two centuries later, Napoleon's initiative should inspire our policies.

It worked with the Jews, but would it work with the Muslims? I kinda doubt it. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:13 pm    Post subject: Here's a good way to get rid of terrorists Reply with quote

........What a simple and brilliant idea! I particularly like the 'spare' seat announcement ! ! It's hard to beat Israeli technology!

Boarding planes in Israel

TEL AVIV, Israel - The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners. It's an armoured booth you step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your person.

Israel sees this as a win-win situation for everyone, with none of the crap about racial profiling. It will also eliminate costs of long and expensive trials.

You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter, an announcement: "Attention to all standby passengers, El Al is pleased to announce a seat available on flight 670 to London. Shalom!"

BRILLIANT !!
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:26 pm    Post subject: Another urban legend Reply with quote

Snopes says it's not true:
http://www.snopes.com/crime/deserts/booth.asp
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:28 pm    Post subject: It was a joke! Reply with quote

Oh for Heaven's sake, Vu - Angela posted it as a joke.

I for one never took it seriously. It's too implausible. Even the Israelis wouldn't do that. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:48 pm    Post subject: It was a joke! Reply with quote

It wasn't thought to be by enough people that Snopes discussed it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: It was a joke! Reply with quote

vu wrote:
It wasn't thought to be by enough people that Snopes discussed it.

People are just too credulous and don't think. As I said earlier, even Israelis wouldn't do that. Plus, did they imagine what it would be like, having bombs exploding inside an airport? Rolling Eyes
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