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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: How did Wormtail end up in Gryffindor? Reply with quote

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GriffieGirl, I think Lockhart may have been a Gryffindor. I think we need a DADA villain from each House - Quirrell was Ravenclaw - intelligence used in the wrong way. Barty Jr.may have been Hufflepuff -loyalty used in the wrong way. Umbridge, I think, was a Slytherin -ambition used in the wrong way. Lockhart, doesn't seem to have had much courage, but he wanted to be seen as brave. Plus, it takes a certain kind of courage to attack powerful witches and wizards that have defeated all kinds of threats and emerged victorious from all kinds of dangerous situations.

Neat idea, there, that all the DaDA teachers came from different Houses. But IMO, Quirrell and Lockhart could switch Houses. Lockhart was smart enough to be in Ravenclaw, and he certainly wasn't brave. Quirrell was braver than he looked, and he doesn't come across as that smart.

Lockhart didn't attack these witches and wizards, he picked their brains, then Obliviated them. That doesn't take much courage. And he packed his bags to flee the minute he was sent to fight the basilisk. Not exactly brave behaviour.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: How did Wormtail end up in Gryffindor? Reply with quote

Winterfell wrote:

Neat idea, there, that all the DaDA teachers came from different Houses. But IMO, Quirrell and Lockhart could switch Houses. Lockhart was smart enough to be in Ravenclaw, and he certainly wasn't brave. Quirrell was braver than he looked, and he doesn't come across as that smart.


According to Pottermore, Quirrell was a Ravenclaw. I don't see him as all that brave and we are told that he was intelligent when it came to learning and to theory. He was smart enough to track down Voldemort, when no others had done so. (Curiously enough, Wormtail also managed this, though he had something Quirrell did not - help from the rats who told him of a dark shadow that killed small creatures.)

I don't think Lockhart was all that smart. There was only one spell he was really proficient in, and he couldn't even deal with a bunch of pixies. But I will say that e had great marketing skills, for a certain audience.

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Lockhart didn't attack these witches and wizards, he picked their brains, then Obliviated them. That doesn't take much courage. And he packed his bags to flee the minute he was sent to fight the basilisk. Not exactly brave behaviour.


He had to take them on to Obliviate them - knowing that they were capable of jinxing him senseless and having him arrested if he didn't time his moves right or get them exactly right first time. Running was cowardly, but then, Wormtail did a lot of cowardly things, too. He chose to live as a DE punching bag rather than live or die as a free man with a clear conscience.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: How did Wormtail end up in Gryffindor? Reply with quote

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Lockhart didn't attack these witches and wizards, he picked their brains, then Obliviated them. That doesn't take much courage. And he packed his bags to flee the minute he was sent to fight the basilisk. Not exactly brave behaviour.

He had to take them on to Obliviate them - knowing that they were capable of jinxing him senseless and having him arrested if he didn't time his moves right or get them exactly right first time.

Not necessarily. I think he took them by surprise. There he was, interviewing them, maybe having a drink together or just a little chat, then once they told him how they managed, probably pleased to have an admiring audience, he whipped out his wand and Obliviated them. He had the spell down to perfection. They had their guard down, probably put their wands in their pockets - anyway IMO they didn't have it in their hands. By the time they realized they needed to protect themselves it was too late. At least that's how I see it.

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Running was cowardly, but then, Wormtail did a lot of cowardly things, too. He chose to live as a DE punching bag rather than live or die as a free man with a clear conscience.

True, that's why IMO he didn't belong in Gryffindor. Neither courage nor loyalty. Though the latter is a Puff trait, most Gryffs display great loyalty to their friends and their cause.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How did Wormtail end up in Gryffindor? Reply with quote

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Running was cowardly, but then, Wormtail did a lot of cowardly things, too. He chose to live as a DE punching bag rather than live or die as a free man with a clear conscience.

True, that's why IMO he didn't belong in Gryffindor. Neither courage nor loyalty. Though the latter is a Puff trait, most Gryffs display great loyalty to their friends and their cause.

He certainly didn't belong with us in Hufflepuff!!!! The very thought!!!!

What I think is that it was a plot ploy by JKR. She HAD to put him in Gryffindor for him to get close to the Potters. That would allow him to betray them later. They'd never have made a Slytherin their Secret Keeper.
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