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Sirius
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 Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: The Intimidation Game |
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Is this subforum dead or just dormant?
It's been a whole week since anyone posted in here.
Looks like people have been intimidated by our friends from another, bigger forum who keep coming in here to peek and probably look for who else to ban from their site.
Myself, I'd call that bullying. Wouldn't you?
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Rowena
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: You can call it by many names |
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Intimidation, bullying, abuse of power...
Or simply we lost interest in that "bigger forum". Several of us have joined smaller, friendlier Harry Potter sites if we want to go on discussing the Harry Potter series. Let me remind you here that AV is not a Harry Potter site per se.
The rest of the AV site's still going strong. There may have been a certain slackening due to "real life" interfering with Internet chat but attendance is still fairly good.
We were never very numerous, or all that active. Some of our main debaters seem to have dropped out. But we're not dead or even moribund. It's just a lull, hopefully a temporary one. 
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Rowena
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:15 pm Post subject: Other HP forums |
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For those of you who are interested, there's a list of other HP forums in AV's CoS, with ratings and analysis by people who have investigated them.
Those I looked at look smaller and friendlier than CoS, the Mods don't seem so overbearing. From what I read of their posts and admonitions, they're not rude or peremptory, and I can't see any of them banning (or, in one case "Azkabanning" which I found rather cute) someone from their site for something posted here or any other site.
Some of them have games, too, including role-playing games, and they also have vent threads though I haven't explored any of those yet.
It may be news to the CoS Mods, but there's a whole world of HP fandom out there where one can post happily and without fear of retaliation.
It's really too bad that they made it so people who have accounts both on CoS and here on AV are terrified of being banned from CoS and are lying low or hiding their identities. (I noticed a couple of people who have changed their usernames when they were the same as on Cos, and the people who kept the same usernames have stopped posting altogether.)
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Mr. Write
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: The way out |
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From what I've read here, the way out is to take this subforum back to its original purpose: a general discussion about anything of interest that doesn't belong in any of the other subforums, and a chat between members, whether they also belong to other chat sites or not. That dual, or triple, membership should be irrelevant.
I haven't been around this site very long, but I've looked around a bit.
It was a mistake to make this subforum into almost an annex of that other bigger chat site that's dedicated to Harry Potter.
I'm glad to see we seem to have moved out of that tendency.
Not being a Potter fan, I don't have access to the AV Chamber of Secret - nor do I want to.
I suggest the Admins move everything concerning Harry Potter into that subforum, apart from discussions of the books and movies, that can be done in the Entertainment subforum.
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Sirius
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: The way out |
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| Mr. Write wrote: | | I suggest the Admins move everything concerning Harry Potter into that subforum, apart from discussions of the books and movies, that can be done in the Entertainment subforum. |
Good suggestion. 
It's true this subforum has been diverted from its original purpose, it's time we took it back, away from Harry Potter - everyone here seems "potter'd out" anyway.
So, what did we talk about in here before it sort of got hijacked by the Potterites and became a... ahem.... monitoring ground for Big Brother?
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Angelina
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: General discussion |
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If I remember right, this subforum was opened to "trap" spammers. At the start, one could post in here without being registered.
Then, gradually, a number of people from the "Big Brother Sees Everything" forum (aka "The Long Arm of Big Brother who can ban people from their site for things posted on other sites") started posting here, sometimes innocently, sometimes less innocently. Then it became a venting forum.
For discussion on general matters and chats, we have L'Avenue, we didn't need this extra one. But since it's here, my opinion is just to leave it as is It can stay dormant for a while. It may come in handy for something again. 
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The Shuttle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: Not so dormant |
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I've just had a peek at CoS and, to my surprise and delight, after a longish pause (about 3 weeks,) the Never-Ending Party has picked up again, and with people who are not even aware of AV and don't know why the Group of Ten have been banned.
Some of the Quidditch regulars have been posting in the Dragon Quidditch game too, though there's no game going on at the moment.
Bless those faithful souls. 
I'm thinking of something, though. It's good that they keep the NEP going, but when they reach the magic number of 1,500 posts, the Mods will close it and I doubt they'll open another one. Also, since they deleted the first NEP "by mistake" (that thread should not have been deleted but archived), they will absolutely certainly delete the second one.
There's still a ways to go, though, IIRC, the thread now stands at about 850 posts, which is very respectable, but still a long way from 1,500.
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Rowena
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| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: The NEP Thread |
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| The Shuttle wrote: | I'm thinking of something, though. It's good that they keep the NEP going, but when they reach the magic number of 1,500 posts, the Mods will close it and I doubt they'll open another one. Also, since they deleted the first NEP "by mistake" (that thread should not have been deleted but archived), they will absolutely certainly delete the second one.
There's still a ways to go, though, IIRC, the thread now stands at about 850 posts, which is very respectable, but still a long way from 1,500. |
There's no doubt in my mind that once this one is closed, there won't be another NEP thread, at least not one like this one, started by Fleur and kept going by her group of loyal friends. Either in the Quibbler or anywhere else.
But you're right, we have a lot of posts left before we reach 1,500 and the inevitable happens.
However, the DQ thread is fast becoming the new NEP thread. 
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Hedwig
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| Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: The NEP Thread |
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| Rowena wrote: | There's no doubt in my mind that once this one is closed, there won't be another NEP thread, at least not one like this one, started by Fleur and kept going by her group of loyal friends. Either in the Quibbler or anywhere else.
But you're right, we have a lot of posts left before we reach 1,500 and the inevitable happens.
However, the DQ thread is fast becoming the new NEP thread. |
The NEP thread loses either way. Either it reaches 1,500 posts and is closed and deleted, or it stays idle and gets closed and deleted for lack of activity.
All we can do is have the unbanned people to keep it alive, but with only one post once in a while to postpone the inevitable. Or just give it up right now and let the inevitable happen sooner. *shrug*
It's a pity to lose all those nice pictures and lively, friendly debate, but there you are. There's no way around it. It will disappear sooner or later. And I'll bet you that the Dragon Quidditch thread, once it reaches the maximum number of posts, won't be renewed either.
Yes, it's become the new NEP at the moment, which is pretty silly if you ask me. I mean, from the Mods' part - why have two similar threads in two different subforums just for the sake of being mean to the people they banned from the Quibbler? It makes no sense whatsoever, but then, when has sense and logic been a characteristic of these particular Mods?
Ah well, it's their forum, and they've told us upfront it wasn't a democracy. Take it or leave it. So there you are.
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The Shuttle
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:29 am Post subject: Re: The NEP Thread |
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| Hedwig wrote: | | Rowena wrote: | There's no doubt in my mind that once this one is closed, there won't be another NEP thread, at least not one like this one, started by Fleur and kept going by her group of loyal friends. Either in the Quibbler or anywhere else.
But you're right, we have a lot of posts left before we reach 1,500 and the inevitable happens.
However, the DQ thread is fast becoming the new NEP thread. |
The NEP thread loses either way. Either it reaches 1,500 posts and is closed and deleted, or it stays idle and gets closed and deleted for lack of activity. |
You don't have to wonder or worry any more. They've closed the NEP thread and archived it. No warning, no reason given, no notification to the original thread starter. At least they haven't deleted outright like they did the first one. At least not yet.
| Quote: | | Ah well, it's their forum, and they've told us upfront it wasn't a democracy. Take it or leave it. So there you are. |
QED.
It also seems to me that it looks like they're still monitoring this site, or at least this sub-forum. By closing it right now, out of the blue and without warning, they've put an end to our speculations as to what would happen to it once it reached the fatidic 1,500 posts.
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inkling7
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: Appeal for Fairness |
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OK So they've shut it down - what did you expect????? Perhaps you should start up a Everlasting Party and see what happens - IMO most likely - nothing since this might be perceived as being a racist thing which IMO could be correct as it seems to the almighty as a Vietnamese thingy - which IMO is disgusting but to the CoS Mods is not...... Read my impressions into this as you may since I am not affiliated with the Mods here but it seems some from the CoS lt think I am. Au Contraire Lanifiel I am NOT a racist so why punish the others and why punish this site for being a free thinking site which obviously CoS is not??? Are you biased or what? I can't believe you are really - or are you????
Come on Lanifiel - be the democrat you say you and be FAIR and as others say you are..... I don't expect you to forgive me but I don't care as I am - as millions of other are - Harry Pottered out but for those who aren't and those who care but have been banned from several sites - have a care and be humane for them -pretty please????? I do know you care sometimes so how about a bit of compassion now for your Asian compatriots????? You do realise they are the best posters and competitors don't you..... But yet they have been banned from some sites?
Please don't take it out on them because of the differences you and I might have as that's not fair to them.
I wasn't comparing you to Hitler as I didn't realise you were Jewish. BUT it seems to me that you are taking out on this delightful Vietnamese group who have defended my right (whether it is right or wrong on their opinion) to say what - right or wrong - is my right on this forum. BUT it seems that they have suffered because of my remark and as I once thought you were are a fair person that seems rather incongruous of you. So please reconsider your position and remove me from your considerations and decisions regarding the Chamber of Secrets Forums.
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Proud Puff
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: The whole Quibbler ban deal |
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| inkling7 wrote: | | OK So they've shut it down - what did you expect????? Perhaps you should start up a Everlasting Party and see what happens - IMO most likely - nothing |
That's for sure, Fleur discussed this with some of us and she says she's not going to open a party thread again, it will just get zapped for one reason or the other. Gertie did say she didn't want us in a thread that we enjoy.
| Quote: | | Come on Lanifiel - be the democrat you say you are and be FAIR and as others say you are..... I don't expect you to forgive me but I don't care as I am - as millions of other are - Harry Pottered out but for those who aren't and those who care but have been banned from several sites - have a care and be humane for them -pretty please????? I do know you care sometimes so how about a bit of compassion now for your Asian compatriots????? You do realise they are the best posters and competitors don't you..... But yet they have been banned from some sites? |
Nice plea, Inkling, and thank you for it. But as Cho_Lover said in our own CoS, you may be barking up the wrong tree, it's probably not Lanifiel who closed the NEP thread. Like C_L, I'll bet anything it was GertieKeddle. And btw, Lani never said he was a democrat, quite the reverse, he said CoS was NOT a democracy.
After they first banned 10 members from the Quibbler on suspicion of breach of the anonymity rule (we voted for each other quite a lot and to them that meant that we'd showed our entries to others - disregarding that some of us got a lot more than 10 votes, so our entries may have been good on their own merits and deserved the awards that we got). I then asked if, since our voting for each other was the problem, they'd consider letting us back in without voting rights. I thought that was a pretty fair way of solving the problem. If we couldn't vote, we couldn't be accused of "electoral fraud" and all our wins, if any, would have been won fair and square, and unimpeachable.
That's the first time Gertie jumped in, over Jessica's and the other Admins' heads, and said "There's no way back for any of you."
What's funny - and this may be what rankles with her - is that she herself, in the first task in the Trapdoor contest, broke her own rules by allowing in an entry that didn't meet requirements and adamantly refused to disqualify it. That didn't sit very well with the contestants who had been made to do their entries over because they didn't meet requirements. We had a long discussion about that at the time, a bit by owl on CoS but mostly here. One of those contestants was a newbie, she didn't want to make waves so she just got past it, but it left a sour taste in everybody's mouths (except those who cozy up to the Mods and said we were making much ado about nothing.)
But after breaking her own rules, Gertie can't stand it that some of us lowly members may, just may, have broken them too. It's funny really.
And she extended the punishment by, first refusing to move the NEP out of the Quibbler - though Jessica herself had suggested it - and now by closing it, which is really petty. The NEP has nothing whatsoever to do with the contests themselves, it was just a party thread. Just nice clean fun for everybody.
I don't think this is racism, btw. The member in favor of whom Gertie broke her own rules is Chinese. We at AV have been a thorn in her side for a while, but I honestly believe our skin color has nothing to do with it. Plus, myself, I'm only Vietnamese by association. 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: A Big Thank You |
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| inkling7 wrote: | Come on Lanifiel - [...] I do know you care sometimes so how about a bit of compassion now for your Asian compatriots????? You do realise they are the best posters and competitors don't you.....
[...] It seems to me that you are taking out on this delightful Vietnamese group who have defended my right (whether it is right or wrong on their opinion) to say what - right or wrong - is my right on this forum. BUT it seems that they have suffered because of my remark and as I once thought you were are a fair person that seems rather incongruous of you. So please reconsider your position and remove me from your considerations and decisions regarding the Chamber of Secrets Forums. |
Inkling, on behalf of all our group, I can't thank you enough for this impassioned plea in our favour. You are very eloquent, and you summed it up well. We stood by your right to free speech, though I did send your post to the War Room - our equivalent of the "dog house" - which on this site is "punishment" enough (see how X reacted when I moved some of his posts to the War Room). 
Thank you also for your compliments on our posts and contest entries. I do believe you're right, we have pretty good posters, and when we could compete, several of us won awards in the contests. Won fair and square, I might add.
I doubt your hearfelt appeal will do any good, but I thank you for it with all my heart. 
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Rowena
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: Why are we worrying so much about another forum? |
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Why can't we have our own debates here, or on the Dark Mark or HPN or the Leaky Cauldron, and leave CoS to its own devices? They obviously have something against AV. OK, fine. It's a free country. Let's all just go elsewhere instead of bitching about them. We ain't gonna change them in any way, we know they're a dictatorship, that some of their Mods abuse their power. Why should we go on putting up with it? 
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Sirius
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| Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Why are we worrying so much about another forum? |
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| Rowena wrote: | | Why can't we have our own debates here, or on the Dark Mark or HPN or the Leaky Cauldron, and leave CoS to its own devices? They obviously have something against AV. OK, fine. It's a free country. Let's all just go elsewhere instead of bitching about them. We ain't gonna change them in any way, we know they're a dictatorship, that some of their Mods abuse their power. Why should we go on putting up with it? |
You are so right Rowena. We can perfectly have our own debates here. We have had some lively ones in the past, the problem is that there aren't too many of us, and the Vietnamese group tend to have the same opinions on some characters, events or controversies. So any discussion tends to be short-lived. But that doesn't mean we can't have them. 
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